1st gear a PITA - Honda Prelude Forum

MidNiteMysT · 10-02-2003, 02:28 AM

im wondering if im not the only one with this problem. when im still or going like less then 5mph, i press the clutch in and put it into 1st gear with no problem. slips in very nicely, but when im going a over 5 or 10 mph, then its a pain in the you know what to shift it into first gear. its like its blocked and i have to press really hard to force it into first gear. is that normal? is that transmission trying to tell me to shift into 2nd gear instead?

maybe you guys have a solution because what i have found out is that sometimes, its also a pain in the ass to shift into reverse. sometimes it wont click, so i just press in the clutch, shift into second, then shift into reverse and it slips in nicely. maybe theres a similar fix to my problem.

ds2000 · 10-02-2003, 02:47 AM

Not to flame but if the cars moving then you should be shifting into second, well IMO anyway, its a bit of care for your car and gearbox.

A rule of thumb; if you have to force it against its will then don't do it

(Except with seized bolts

)

prelude styl · 10-02-2003, 03:55 AM

unless stopped, you should Never shift into first. Even if you're down shifting to slow down, never into 1st.

jsmooney · 10-02-2003, 06:48 AM

i have the same problem you have....... Sometimes it wont go into 1st even when stopped, but i just ease it into first when coming to a stop, works nice. Then reverse is a PITA.......

azjs · 10-02-2003, 07:26 AM

That's just the gearbox doing it's job right, unless you double clutch the car into the correct rev range for 5mph, it won't go in.

-az

Preyluder · 10-02-2003, 09:54 AM

You mean rev match??

Basically, you shouldn't do what you're doing. Bottom line.

prelude styl · 10-02-2003, 10:38 AM

I never want to hear the words "double clutching" Ever used here agian....

4bidden · 10-02-2003, 02:09 PM

Thats normal. Its not made to go into first unless youre basically at a stop.

MidNiteMysT · 10-02-2003, 02:11 PM

but i rev match it fine and when i do manage to get it into first, it goes to 2k rpm. thats not high at all. i guess ill be shifting into second from now on but when u shift it into second, its really sluggish in the beginning, thats why i like to shift into 1st, then second to have some power. ill try using second gear from now on... i hope i didnt mess up my transmission.... i just thought it was a problem since reverse sometimes doesnt work, so i thought it was the same deal.

edit: and btw, whats the deal with double clutching? good? bad?

CrazieLude · 10-02-2003, 02:12 PM

my reverse acts like yours when I'm stopped. it wont go in all the way and I have to go into another gear before I can make it go into reverse.

T

Preyluder · 10-02-2003, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by MidNiteMysT
edit: and btw, whats the deal with double clutching? good? bad?

The deal with it is that it was a HUGE movie phuck up. Made everybody think the wrong thing. Double clutching does exist, but don't let anyone make you believe that it's actually beneficial in our cars.

prelude styl · 10-02-2003, 05:24 PM

exactly. Double clutching is when you push in the clutch and rev the motor up high, and let the clutch back out, so that 'technically' it gives a jump in power/acceleration. On streets, this does nothing but burn up clutches. It's used in the dirt, for rally racing, and motocross.

overdrive23 · 10-02-2003, 05:46 PM

In fast and furious, yes they used double clutching when they shouldn't have...true. but they also had Ja Rule in that movie...

double clutching is not bad for your car, and you dont have to be off road to do this. check this out and it will make more sense for ya:
http://www.driversedge.com/dblcltch.htm

Preyluder · 10-02-2003, 06:40 PM

Right, that's the real way to double clutch, but it's still not beneficial. Do some homework for me and read that article again, and give me one GOOD reason why it helps in our 4 cyl. Honda.

I don't know about you guys, but I don't need to double-suppress the clutch to downshift 2 gears in my car.

overdrive23 · 10-03-2003, 08:10 PM

To prevent excessive synchroniser wear

if your synchro's wear...then you'll pop out of gear like the 4th gen i raced last weekend. thats just one though...

RedH22A1 · 10-03-2003, 08:52 PM

I had that problem before until I flushed my tranny fluid with Honda MTF ( damn dealer gaved me the wrong washer

) I can go into 1st alot easier.

MidNiteMysT · 10-03-2003, 09:38 PM

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Originally posted by RedH22A1
I had that problem before until I flushed my tranny fluid with Honda MTF ( damn dealer gaved me the wrong washer ) I can go into 1st alot easier.

honda mtf? whats that?

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To prevent excessive synchroniser wear

but in that article, it didnt say anything about why you should double clutch instead. whats wrong with just pressing in the clutch, rev matching and putting it into gear and realesing the clutch? i didnt see anything in the article that proves that bad as long as its rev matched.

RedH22A1 · 10-03-2003, 10:45 PM

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Originally posted by MidNiteMysT

honda mtf? whats that?

but in that article, it didnt say anything about why you should double clutch instead. whats wrong with just pressing in the clutch, rev matching and putting it into gear and realesing the clutch? i didnt see anything in the article that proves that bad as long as its rev matched.

Honda Manual Transmission Fluid.

Preyluder · 10-04-2003, 11:05 AM

I really don't think it slows down the wearing process of the synchronizers. I think it's just a waste of time in our cars, really. Truck drivers use double clutching to help slow down on declines when they have a heavy load.

MidNiteMysT · 10-04-2003, 11:09 AM

do u guys even use downshifting as a way to slow down? sometimes i just let go of the gas for a little then press in the clutch, put it in nuetral and the brakes take over. i pretty much never use my gears to slow me down.