for those of you who have read my other posts about my warranty being void due to my cai and honda care refusing me service for my transmission.....
here is one of the last updates i will be posting
my dad has decided to pay the dealership the $1600 to fix the car.....after that I am to remove the AEM CAI and put the stock airbox back on and no more mods again ever
I think intake and tranny don't really mess with each other,
having an CAI doesn't get you the torque to blow the transmission either...
Is there a local consumer board you can file your complaints to and get them to pressure your dealer?
I dont' think it's honda that's rejecting your warranty claim,
more like the incompetent dealer screwing you up.
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LOL someone pointed that out to him before...but it always makes me laugh when someone else does as well
get a lawyer man- they cant really point out abuse.
and the aem is not the one that voided it right.
usually they give u that **** and see if ull give out. if u do - they win.
now if u be tough and get ppl that know better - u get the chance to get what u want.
also scare them a little with other faults that they caused u like lost keys and stuff.
A CAI will not destroy your tranny...shiet if their argument is that the "added HP" lead to more wear and tear on the tranny, get a dyno and show them the "added HP" that you got. I bet it'll only be like 5 hp or so...than ask a professional whether or not that "added 5 HP" will lead to premature wear on your tranny, which in your case, took what? A couple of months for the intake to "destroy" your tranny? So basically their argument will be deduced to an excuse that a nominal amount of HP led to the demise of your Honda tranny...plus throw in the fact that most dealers sell intakes and headers and the whole nine yards at their facilities...not to mention JRSCs!!
Either way, a lawyer should be able to take care of this bs. Fight it!! An intake doesn't void SHIET unless it's found to be the cause of the failure in question...and I highly doubt an intake is going to fuk your tranny up.
i had rims and my car was lowered and no problem they just voided warrenty regarding the suspension and one time my battery died cuz my alarm was draining it after market alarm taht i got when i bought the car and i had this huge allumin wing on the back ... no problem they just replaced the battery that time and the other time they replaced my syncro no problem good peeps here at the local reno dealership ...........i mean for god sakes they sell aftermarkets parts in the parts department !!!!!!! :laugh
just so everyone knows.......it's not the dealership screwing me.......nor honda.......it's HONDA CARE......they are the ones facilitating the claim since my car's in the extended warranty stage now.........
now for the GRRRRRRRR part
they had a "3rd party".....non honda.....non honda care affiliated ...... go to weir canyon honda to inspect my car.......upon inspection they stated that the cause of the failure was the aftermarket modification.......the problem? bent shift forks and bad synchros......the cause? aem cai
i called honda care to contest this......the guy said he couldn't do anything about it and that the ruling would not change.....i spent some time talking to him......(getting a little heated).......and it turns out the guy didn't even know what he was talking about
he asked me how do shift forks bend......he said they dont bend by themselves.......i contorted that the aem cai definitely didn't make them bend.......silence
again i say......how does an aem cai make the transmission fail?? the components have nothign in common.......he says........well the performance modification led to the car being driven hard.......and user abuse led to the failure........
so i say......so you're telling me that the modification INDIRECTLY (i stressed the word) led to the failure of the car?
he responds.........YES
so i say.....the law states that you must prove that the modification DIRECTLY (stress again) led to the failure of the car.....
he responds .......WHERE
so i had it ready and i read it to him......
silence ensues......
the guy just really went speechless........and in the end all he could tell me was that "the warranty is not void......we just refused you service for this particular repair" i say.....reason being? "your performance modification".........and i said **** you kiss my ass you mother ****er.......haha j/k but i was so heated i just hung up
i cannot believe this........i seriously can't.............i was hoping the last thing that would happen would be something like this but it turned out to be the first
get....a ....l-a-w-y-e-r. you have rights and you may be able to get a poop load of money out of them for all the crap you've gone through. hey they were quik to screw you.....so why shouldnt you be quik to screw them?? stop being a nice guy and get some blood.
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but i am not rich and i do not have the time and energy it takes to take on such a large corporation in court
legal issues take a lot of time, work, effort, and money and i just don't have what it takes
i just don't understand how everyone can think it's as easy as calling up a lawyer and then taking a cake walk to court and sitting there for 1 hour as you watch johnny cochran explain your case to the court and then walking away with a grip of cash in your pocket
it doesn't really work like that.......court and lawyers is not a very good option right now
About four years back my buddy bought a new Chevy Cavalier (1st mistake) from a local dealer here is So Cal. He had numerous problems with it (windows weren't rollin down, broke down twice on him). Chevy refused to give him another car. After about a year of continuous problems, he hired any attorney and went to court w/ Chevy. He won $11,000 (paid about 12,000 for the car). I believe Chevy also had to pay his lawyer fees also. The trial was very short.
Go to a lawyer in your area for a free consultation and explain to him/her your situation. Ask him/her if you can include your lawyer fees in your lawsuit, since Honda refuses to repair your car and you have no other choice than to take them to court. Tell him that you're not rich, and this is the only way he/she will get paid. Lawyers will only take cases thay feel thay can win. Dollar signs will be rolling in their eyes, because if they win, they won't be charging your empty pockets, they'll be going after the very deep pockets of Honda Corporation for their "legal expenses". Try this, it wouldn't hurt, it'll just take a little time. The worst that can happen is that the lawyer refuses to take your case.
I just hate to see big companies take advantage for us little people.
Last edited by 1sweetlude; 02-26-2002 at 12:38 AM.
This federal law regulates warranties for the protection of consumers. The essence of this law concerning aftermarket auto parts is that a vehicle manufacturer may not condition a written or implied warranty on the consumers using parts or services which are identified by brand, trade, or corporate name (such as the vehicle makers brand) unless the parts or service are provided free of charge. The law means that the use of an aftermarket part alone is not cause for denying the warranty. However, the law's protection does not extend to aftermarket parts in situations where such parts actually caused the damage being claimed under the warranty. Further, consumers are advised to be aware of any specific terms or conditions stated in the warranty which may result in its being voided. The law states in relevant part:
“No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumers using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade or corporate name....� (15 U.S.C. 2302(C)).
2. Clean Air Act Warranty Provisions (42 U.S.C. S 7541 (C) (3) (B))
The federal Clean Air Act requires vehicle makers to provide two emissions-related warranties -- a production warranty and a performance warranty. The production warranty requires the vehicle maker to warrant that the vehicle is designed, built and equipped so that it conforms with emissions requirements at the time of sale. The performance warranty requires the vehicle maker to warrant that the vehicle will comply with applicable emissions requirements as tested under state vehicle emissions inspection programs for the warranty periods specified in the law (for model year 1995 and later vehicles, the warranty is 2 years/24,000 miles for all emissions-related parts and 8 years/80,000 miles for the catalytic converter, electronic emissions control unit and on-board diagnostic device). The performance warranty is conditioned on the vehicle being properly maintained and operated.
Like the Magnuson-Moss Act, vehicle manufacturers may not refuse warranty repairs under the Clean Air Acts performance and defect warranties merely because aftermarket parts have been installed on the vehicle. The only circumstance under which the vehicle manufacturer can void the emissions warranties is if an aftermarket part is responsible for (causes) the warranty claim.
thats the whole thing you wont have to pay for the lawyer if you sue for legal fee's also. it is perfectly legal to sue for lawyer fee's and 10 out of 10 times when you win a case they will be rewarded as part of the pain and suffering section. just make sure you have a lawyer that doesnt charge if he doesnt win, there are plenty of them that do that.
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This federal law regulates warranties for the protection of consumers. The essence of this law concerning aftermarket auto parts is that a vehicle manufacturer may not condition a written or implied warranty on the consumers using parts or services which are identified by brand, trade, or corporate name (such as the vehicle makers brand) unless the parts or service are provided free of charge. The law means that the use of an aftermarket part alone is not cause for denying the warranty. However, the law's protection does not extend to aftermarket parts in situations where such parts actually caused the damage being claimed under the warranty. Further, consumers are advised to be aware of any specific terms or conditions stated in the warranty which may result in its being voided. The law states in relevant part:
“No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumers using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade or corporate name....� (15 U.S.C. 2302(C)).
2. Clean Air Act Warranty Provisions (42 U.S.C. S 7541 (C) (3) (B))
The federal Clean Air Act requires vehicle makers to provide two emissions-related warranties -- a production warranty and a performance warranty. The production warranty requires the vehicle maker to warrant that the vehicle is designed, built and equipped so that it conforms with emissions requirements at the time of sale. The performance warranty requires the vehicle maker to warrant that the vehicle will comply with applicable emissions requirements as tested under state vehicle emissions inspection programs for the warranty periods specified in the law (for model year 1995 and later vehicles, the warranty is 2 years/24,000 miles for all emissions-related parts and 8 years/80,000 miles for the catalytic converter, electronic emissions control unit and on-board diagnostic device). The performance warranty is conditioned on the vehicle being properly maintained and operated.
Like the Magnuson-Moss Act, vehicle manufacturers may not refuse warranty repairs under the Clean Air Acts performance and defect warranties merely because aftermarket parts have been installed on the vehicle. The only circumstance under which the vehicle manufacturer can void the emissions warranties is if an aftermarket part is responsible for (causes) the warranty claim.
i borrowed this from sema.org . thanks sema
thomas
Yeah, but that doesn't do much in this situation because the dealer, or rather Honda Care, is claiming that the aftermarket intake is the source of the problem. His warranty isn't being denied because he simply has an aftermarket intake on his vehicle, but rather, is being denied because they claim it to be the cause of the problem in the first place, ergo bypassing any of these listed provisions. They aren’t breaking these provisions per se, so you can’t really litigate under these allegations
The real argument than must be found with their initial claim, which is that the aftermarket intake caused the initial transmission problems. The question is, did the aftermarket intake cause the tranny failure in the first place? His argument would than have to attack Honda Care’s claim in saying that an aftermarket intake could not possibly be the cause of such a malfunction. And basically the only way to do this, if you really want to fight this, is to get a lawyer. This is just how I look at it, but of course whatever the argument may inevitably turn out to be, a professional attorney will handle it.
Although if I were you, and I understand what you're saying about the whole litigation hassle, is to just simply try going to another dealership with your stock parts on...that might be a much easier way Unless you did this already and I missed it...it just seems as the only way out without big bucks and legal jargon. Does the fact that Honda Care or whoever checked it out automatically kill any chance of it being fixed by another dealership? If so...that's fuked up
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good peeps here at the local reno dealership ...........i mean for god sakes they sell aftermarkets parts in the parts department !!!!!!!
:laugh
Unless you did this already and I missed it...it just seems as the only way out without big bucks and legal jargon. Does the fact that Honda Care or whoever checked it out automatically kill any chance of it being fixed by another dealership? If so...that's fuked up 
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