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Old 09-20-2002, 08:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Slow 5th Gen..What could be wrong

Whats up all,

I have a BIG problem. I have every bolt on that you can have on a Prelude. i/h/p/cam gears/catback. But I feel my car is lagging/slow/ whatever the F##K you want to call it. WHYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!! Its driving me crazy. Its a 97 vtec with 60K miles on it. Not a stick, but I have never rode in another prelude so I do not know if this is what I get, or the car is really slower than supposed to be. Any suggestions! I am going to get a SC or turbo at the end of October, but if anyone has any ideas why please let me know!!
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Have you reset your ECU in a while? If it's OBDII, it'll negate your bolt ons over time so you have to reset so it can learn all over again, but you'll get your gains again and can reset again every so often.
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Old 09-20-2002, 09:06 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Yea I reset mine once a week... also the 5 speed FEELS much much faster than the SS, when its really not THAT much faster.

That might be it.

Also-- you may need your valves adjusted.
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Old 09-20-2002, 09:18 AM   #4 (permalink)
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what are you cam gears set at? I played around with mine at the track and ended up with some settings that made me slower.
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If you run it hard, do a compression test.

Did you get your 60k service yet ?
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Old 09-20-2002, 11:00 AM   #6 (permalink)
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yeah, try resetting the ECU first, and then drive it around for a little while an see if it feels different. Have you gotten your cam gears tuned properly or did you just put them on an leave them w/o tuning?
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How do u reset the ECU?
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the AC could be on + hot weather, then ur car feels slow as hell..

as for resetting the ecu, disconnect the battery for a few minutes and put it back on.. or... unplug the radio fuse in ur fuse box for a fe minutes and plug it back in.

remember u'll need ur radio code..


or u can search =-P
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Old 09-20-2002, 12:22 PM   #10 (permalink)
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How can the OBDII affect the performance of headers, exhaust and a CAI?

Makes me wonder about my SC I had on my car, it seemed after a few months it was getting slower..

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How can the OBDII affect the performance of headers, exhaust and a CAI?

Makes me wonder about my SC I had on my car, it seemed after a few months it was getting slower..

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it supposedly "learns" that u have mods and adjusts the **** bringing the gains back down to stock or somethin like that.. iiiiiiii wouldn't know i dont have any engine mods hahaha
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Old 09-20-2002, 12:31 PM   #12 (permalink)
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try some one step colder plugs,at 60,000 miles u could probably use new ones anyways,and resetting your ecu does help,I unplugged my battery 2 weeks ago when I installed my jdm fogs and didnt even think about the ecu but did kinda feel it ran better,but now its back to feeling like crap
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Did you Dino the car before and after the mods or did you just slap them on? If you just slapped them on then there is a good chance that you may be slower(not tuned right). Go to a Dino and get it tuned.
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How can the OBDII affect the performance of headers, exhaust and a CAI?

Makes me wonder about my SC I had on my car, it seemed after a few months it was getting slower..

Kegster

I remember C-REdrum did the ODBII workaround for his JRSC Prelude and his Prelude ran so much better

http://preludeonline.com/showthread....ighlight=OBDII
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I remember C-REdrum did the ODBII workaround for his JRSC Prelude and his Prelude ran so much better

http://preludeonline.com/showthread....ighlight=OBDII
That is because he had installed the Hondata IM gasket without drilling the egr passage in the gasket. Different situation.
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yeah, you should reset your ECU every week or so...you'll notice the difference
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which fude do u take out to reset it?
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which fude do u take out to reset it?
the clock/radio fuse located in the passenger side of the engine bay towards the firewall.
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i think everyone told you to re-set it but not how to reset it.
Well go into the fuse box UNDER Your hood and pull the 7.5amp clock/Radio fuse for about 1min. youll know if its reset when your clock on your car is at 1 or is it 12 i forget. Or you can just disconnect the negative Terminal on your battery for about 5min.
IF you have the Stock Honda Stereo have your code ready if you do the battery way. im not sure if the fuse reset way u have to repunch in your stereo code. good luck
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Keeping OBD II happy, troubleshooting performance problems

Hey guys,

I just thought I would add my two cents to the thread.

First off: Regarding the ECU

The ECU 'de-tunes' a motor indirectly. The ECU knows what numbers it should see from the various OBDII sensors on a stock Prelude. Adding intake, headers, exhaust, etc. will always modify these numbers some (depending on which mod you've done ).

In the case of a CAI, the air temperature and air:fuel ratio changes because of the added intake pressure. In this case, the ECU will notice a consistent change in the curves of your A/F. After a while it will richen the mixture to keep the motor from lean conditions, and pre-mature wear and tear. So, what happens is your car is taking in more air still, but the fuel ratio has been brought back up to compensate. Therefore you lose a large portion of the horsepower you gained before.

I hope this explains some questions.

I would recommend you check out the OBDII Workaround mod at http://www.ntpog.org - I have done it, and it works wonders. I have a fairly complex stereo setup, and disconnecting the fuse for the radio once a week is just NOT acceptable to me. The mod requires about an hour, and some patience, but it's not particularly hard. Once done your car will run like always before, and you simply have a switch you leave off. The premise is simply that you disconnect the 'memory' wire, or battery lead from the ECU so when you turn the car off, it forgets anything it may have learned that particular trip out. Then, if you were to throw a trouble code (check engine light) - you can flip the switch back ON so that when you turn the car off it will remember - and you can diagnose the problem. Please note that the mod does not DAMAGE your car in anyway, and will not CAUSE any trouble codes (a common mis-conception).

Second off: Regarding the Air Conditioner
It is ALWAYS a good idea to turn of the A/C BEFORE you jump on the throttle. Most A/C compressors have a clutch assembly so that when a car is put under strenuous load (such as full throttle), the compressor will temporarily shut off so that it doesn't over compress and burst. It's not a good idea to put your faith in that clutch assembly however.

I've never heard of it happening on a Lude, but the 1998 Camaro z/28/ss LS1 motor was NOTORIOUS for bursting compressors. I've seen fiberglass damage from this - thankfully the car was still under warranty.

Third: Regarding Cam Gears, V-AFC, Timing Parts
Anytime you change parts that are related to either the air/fuel ratio or the timing (such as cams and cam gears), it's highly recommended that you have facilities such as a dyno at your disposal to tune. Often the theory behind certain changes to ADD performance can cause loss of performance, or even lean conditions that are potentially harmful to your car.

Finally: Regarding SS 5G Preluds
It does depend what car you came from before on how sporty the Prelude will feel. Sport shifts have a tendancy to feel MUCH less responsive (even though, as w0rdie said, they really aren't that much), and likewise, the Lude has a tendancy to take some spool up time for the first 4000 rpms in first gear (in either transmission) simply because of the nature of the high-revving 4 cylinder motor - once you get moving into VTEC however, the car shows its colors.

I hope this information found some people well - good luck finding your performance problem!

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