various short shift adapters to look up if you care to read about the 5th gen's history and progress with its shifter (in my descending order of liked to least liked)
Pure Racing, Neuspeed, Solo, Fidanza, DC Sports, B&M,
and "true" short shifters
Lean Ver1, Pspec Ver1, Lean Ver2, 4Bidden 4th to 5th swap, 4Bidden 5th Gen rumors/promises, Pspec Ver2
when it first started, everyone seem to like adapters, only choice. Todd Marcucci's write up on installing an adapter is still on NTPOG
Keith used a Neuspeed one I think
71dsp had a pure but parted with it in 2002?
Marcucci used a Solo, maybe switched to a pure later? i dunno
Thatpreludeguy (not an important figure but i like him) used a solo
cementups used a solo
solid might have used an adapter i dunno, but he used a pspec ver1 for sure
when lean came out, it was the best thing. greatest mod next to suspension.
then pspec came out, greatest thing ever hurrah, next to suspension or exhaust
4bidden's so great, everyone wants one even though they never tried it, just hear say hype
pspec's newest rendition, whoooooa so shiny and sophisticated, must have, it's the greatest, nothing compares. woooow.
adapters worked once, doesn't mean they stopped working.
it's funny i was searching around, great way to learn stuff, for more info and input on this topic since i wonder where all this hate for adapters stem from and i found this old thread
Really short shifter
if you don't read the whole thing, at least read this:
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Originally Posted by 71dsp
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If you raise the bracket, the distance from the pivot to the shifter cable is actually longer, so since the distance the shift cable must travel is fixed, the distance the shift knob must be moved is shorter (measured linearly, not angularly).
Cutting the shifter shorter will decrease the amount of travel (measured linearly) for the shift knob. Isn't that the whole point? Isn't the shift "throw" measured by the distance the shift knob must travel in order to change gears?
If you're measuring shift travel by the change in the angle of the shift lever, I think that's the wrong way to go about it. The linear distance change of the shift knob is the best way to do it, IMO.
And what do you think moving the bracket does? It decreases the mechanical advantage in exchange for a shorter distance to travel. It doesn't matter how you decrease travel of the shift knob, if you decrease the travel, shift effort WILL be higher due to the decrease in mechanical advantage.
I'd suggest that both of you be very careful with the insults. It makes both of you look foolish, as neither of you are explaining yourselves very clearly. Just insulting one another doesn't do anything for us technical minded people. 
Now, one thing that no one has addressed AFAIK, is shortening the side to side throw along with the forward to rear throw.
BTW, why is a short shifter such a big deal? I use a stock shifter in the track car, and I've never really felt a desire for a shorter throw. It doesn't help you shift faster, as you still have to wait for the synchros, so what's the point?  |
^i'm not sure why this is important, but i think it needs to be read and understood. it's almost 5am and i'm getting sleepy.
more random related quotes
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Originally Posted by 71dsp
Yes, but the PSPEC does not shorten left to right throws. IMO, shortening the shaft is a mistake on a track car. The PSPEC shortens fore and aft throws just like these short shift "adapters," it moves the attachment point for the shift cable higher on the shift lever. No big deal really, other than making it one piece instead of two.
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and this from another og member from another thread
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Originally Posted by petern101
A true short shifter actually shortens the movement of the actual shift motion (basically).
I've never delt with 5th gen short shifters but I know they're different from 4th gens. The 4th gen has a really good short shifter (forbidden).
Adapters are doing the same thing a true short shifter kind of does but here's a really bad analogy. It's like having a shoe that has a separate sole instead of the shoe being one piece. They both get the job done but you would feel better in the one piece shoe (I know horrible analogy but that's all I got tonight).
Cutting the shifter does shorten the throw of the shifter, but doesn't actually affect the linkage.
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diff thread
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Originally Posted by 71dsp
That's incorrect. A short shift adapter doesn't do anything to the actual throw at the tranny. It changes the fulcrum point on the shifter itself. The shift throw at the tranny is exactly the same.
If you're careful with your shifting, you won't have any problems. I haven't had any problems at all with mine.
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referring to the pure i believe
i had one from marcucci but forgot where it went
point being. i think you are all hyped up on your new toy and can't accept there's something out there that will work for less than $220. i'm glad you like it, i like mine. do i think its worth it? some days.
but then again, i wonder if all those quotes still hold truth, i hope billy still stands by his words from long ago or i hope he'd be so kind to update me. i could very well be totally wrong on all this, it happens. meh
the thing that causes adapters to fail the most, in my observation, is the lack of propper knowledge and usage. does everyone make sure to cut the console thing enough? is there any rubbing not seen or hard causing stress on the cable? are you shifting too fast or hard for the synchros? are you expecting way too much from an adapter?
this one just for kicks
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Originally Posted by 71dsp
The Pure Short Shifter for the 5Gen was the same. There's nothing that special about the forbidden shifter (no offense to the creator, it is a well built shifter).
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This sounds like the difference between a coilover kit and "true" coilovers. The part in bold, just isn't correct.
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he referenced the coilover thing too!, how coincidental that i did tonight (it was my first time seeing that thread so i didn't just have some kind of mental cue triggering a memory)
anyways, red- your turn
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