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Old 05-03-2004, 07:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
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rear tie bar installation problem

Morning

ok, Sat I tried to get the 2 rear tiebar bolts out to install my DC rear lower tie bar... well I tried breaking it by hand... right lol.
well I moved up gradually to a 750lb impact wrench... it DIDN'T even budge LOL.
well then I moved up to a 1200 lb impact wrench... nothing

the bolts are aircraft grade and look brand new.

any thoughts on getting these bishes out?


o and I know the tie bar is more bling than stiff lol, but it looks so good
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Old 05-03-2004, 08:19 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I don't know why yours are so much trouble. Mine came off pretty easily. They aren't supposed to be torqued all that tightly either.

Try all the normal things for stubborn bolts: PB Blaster, torch, etc.
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Old 05-03-2004, 09:57 AM   #3 (permalink)
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^^ I don't know either... just wondering if someone else has had any problems...

o and it is a clean bolt... PB blaster just polished it up a bit lol. I did try heating it a bit, but it wasn't red hot...

is there a problem with me heating it up too much? it does go threw a bushing....
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Old 05-03-2004, 10:53 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Yeah, don't heat it up too much or you will damage something.

You definitely don't want to break it off in there. It would be a bish to replace if it snapped halfway inside.

Take some pics of it, I want to see this monster bolt.

Maybe you'll just have to give up and sell the tie bar.
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Old 05-03-2004, 11:04 AM   #5 (permalink)
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^^ ebay that bish

I don't get it though... it's just the tiebar bolts... these:
#43...

here:
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...WER+ARM%2C+RR.
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Old 05-03-2004, 11:19 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Ok, this is an obvious thing and one that I am sure you did no overlook, but did you jack up the car? If you didn't jack up the car, you've got the weight of the car on those bolts via the lower arm and that would make them damn hard to break torque.

FYI, again this is obvious, but never remove them without having the frame jacked up or you will be squished when the suspension arm releases and the car squats on you.

Spray some PB Blaster on the other side too. Make sure both ends are well lubed.

I don't know, maybe there is some rust in there also. Take a hammer and whack a few times the end where the bolt protrudes through. Maybe you can break the rust bond that way.
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Old 05-03-2004, 11:24 AM   #7 (permalink)
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LOL.. yes the car was jacked up... how the hell could I get to them if it wasn't


and I blasted the hell out of it

come on .... I have roughly 98k on my car... and I broke them loose on a lude with 150k and they came off easily

I feel jibbed
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Old 05-03-2004, 11:28 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Maybe they rusted solid when you parked your car in a friggin pasture to take pics.

Motor mount bolt, alternator pulley bolt, tie arm bolt...man, you must have accidently sh!t on the bolt god because he is seriously pissed with you.
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Old 05-03-2004, 12:51 PM   #9 (permalink)
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damn jay. mine came out very easy. probably the easiest mod i have ever done. i jacked up the rear. tapped the bolt with a hammer. then used a socket wrench to loosen. sorry i do not have any better ideas
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Old 05-03-2004, 02:05 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Mine came of easy, only hard part was putting it back takes me like 1hr to put back one hehehe. Lucky inly happen 1 side thou else i'll be *****ing
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Old 05-03-2004, 07:02 PM   #11 (permalink)
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well I tried again... heated it up... used a total of 1500 lbs of tq.... absolutely NO MOVEMENT!!!

should I just give up? please... someone help... offer some advice

o and I heated up the head and the end of the bolt/welded nut, to not quite redhot and it still wouldn't budge
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Old 05-03-2004, 07:08 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I have a lower tie bar as well and haven't had it put on yet. I was wondering if anybody had any pics of their cars with it. I've had the tie bar for 2 years now and never got around to putting it on...
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Here is a pic of my rear one. I don't have a pic of the front one because it's too hard to photograph. It blends in with the pavement so it's hard to see in the pic, but it's easily noticed on the street. I have had several people comment on it.

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Jay, I think you had better give up at this point. You will damage something if you go much further. The only thing I could suggest is finding a way to rig it so that the bolt was actually soaking in liquid penetrant. If you built a little clay dam around the bolt and then poured or sprayed in the PB Blaster and let it soak for 24 hours, it might eventually work its way to the source of the problem. Short of that, sell the tie bar and move down south where we don't put salt on the roads.
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^^ it's not rusted though!!! I don't get it... the subframe and bolt look brand new I want my bling
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^^^ HAHAHA! Ok, how about you just paint that lower truss with some chrome paint. No worries and you get your bling.

I promise I won't tell anyone that it's not a real tie bar.

Oh yeah, BTW, it's lefty--loosey rightey--tighty. This could explain why the bolt god has been sh!tting on you so much.

That sucks. Maybe you should just take it to a shop and have them gather around it like a bunch of monkeys when they can't get it off either. LOL!
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^^ I take paypal... honda = $78.50 an hour :wow:

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Eh, forget the $78 an hour. Just find a couple of crackheads and tell them that you hid your vial in there to avoid the cops and you'll share it with them if they can get the bolt out. There is nothing a couple of crackheads can't do with the right motivation. Who do you think I had install my rear wing? Crackheads make great mechanics!
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damn jay! i thought you looked rather fit.
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hey, i had a lil trouble but it wasnt the worst ive ever had.

i only had about a 2ft break bar and i kicekd it with my uncle holding the socket to the bolt.

try gettting the longest bar you can and using some leg strength on it. it'll come out. make sure you use a 6pt as a 12pt might strip the bolt. also make sure before you kick it to have someone hold the head of the socket tight on the bolt or the bolt may strip as well.
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