Also, sorry for the extra post, but if you say that no gas is needed to apply downshifting, then why don't you try this. While you're cruising at 80 mph, or even as slow as around 65 and you need some pickup to pass that big rig, what do you do?
I see you either keep it in fourth and slam on the gas, then pass the big rig in 5 minutes...
or..
You downshift with foot off gas and brake, then get thrown forward because of the high rpm in lower gear. Your car bogs, rapes the transmission, and then on top of that, you slam on the gas to finally get the power.
Like you said, it's not a true manual car, so downshifting without any throttle can't be healthy or safe for the engine, as opposed to 5 or 6 speeds. Why don't you try my scenario today and see what happens.
And all in all, if you're not even doing that in SS mode, then you would have been better off in another car without SS because you're not using it to full potential. The manual says that 1st will take you to 45ish (somewhere in that range), 2nd will take you to 90ish (again, somewhere in that range), and 3rd will take you to around 120. My reasoning is that if it's possible to get into those mphs without redlining immediately, then it's perfectly fine for the transmission as long as it's a smooth transition. Your technique can't possible be smooth.
At this point, it seems that you aren't even driving in SS mode besides upshifting. With the way you're describing your driving, I don't think you're even using the SS option. In SS mode, I can go as slow as 15 mph or so in 3rd gear (I think...and if not, somewhere around that range in mph) and slam on the gas, and it will not automatically downshift for me. Basically, what you're saying is that I should NOT downshift, and instead, ride 3rd gear (which won't have any torque at all at low range) up till the point where it can finally pick up? This is all following your post saying that we shouldn't downshift at all. By the way, in response to the last couple posts, I don't think anyone on this whole thread has said that it is beneficial to downshift to first consistently, so repeating the obvious is just....repeating the obvious. It seems to me that you're contradicting yourself man. No hostilities, but I don't think you know how to drive your car.
Please. To say the least it is you guys who are being ignorant here. A 2000 Lude owner telling me I don't know how to drive my 98? Thanks but no thanks. I've had my Lude long enough to know a thing or two. And by the way you interpret English, I'm not surprised to hear your comments.
1st: I never said that if you are cruising at freeway speed, and you wanted to pass someone, you should stay in 4th. I was merely commenting on your incredibly idiotic way of taking a low-mid speed corner. Please, reread what I said.
2nd: You completely misunderstood anything I've said. You're lack of understanding may come from your lack of comprehension. Did you see what i said? YOU SHOULD NEVER NEED TO DOWNSHIFT TO 1st! Understand English, son?
My God, the idiocy seems to be contagious here. Please don't pester me with your response or lack thereof. Think intelligently about what you plan to say to me before you say it. You didn't quite get through reading what I posted, and you replied with nothing but crap. I would sure like to see you at an AutoX. That tranny wouldn't last a full day with the way you drive. Puhaha
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Last edited by 98DiamondWhite; 12-10-2001 at 11:44 AM.
Oh yeah, I'll unsubscribe to this thread now. All you SS owner, keep on *thinkin'* really hard. HAHAHAHAAHAH When your done thinking, you can run out and get a manual and learn how to drive one. Then you'll see how utterly STUPID this conversation is. And how utterly RETARDED your ideas of driving are.
Best advice to all you sh*t talkers and hard-headed autostick pushers: GO TO AN AUTOX.
Unless you plan to do that, stop talking that garbage about some dumb ideas of screwing your tranny up.
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1st: I never said that if you are cruising at freeway speed, and you wanted to pass someone, you should stay in 4th. I was merely commenting on your incredibly idiotic way of taking a low-mid speed corner. Please, reread what I said.
2nd: You completely misunderstood anything I've said. You're lack of understanding may come from your lack of comprehension. Did you see what i said? YOU SHOULD NEVER NEED TO DOWNSHIFT TO 1st! Understand English, son?
I would sure like to see you at an AutoX. That tranny wouldn't last a full day with the way you drive. Puhaha
Dude, stop being so butt hurt with my post. I'm merely stating my opinion based on your post.
First off, it seems my english is better than yours. I'd hate to be a ***** about this, but your = possessive pronoun and you're = contraction meaning you are.
Second, yes, you were commenting on the post with my technique, but also adding a few of your own insight into your way of driving. You still haven't answered my question. Would you slam on the gas while downshifting to get a smooth transition to third gear for passing speed? If so, then you're a hypocrite.
Third, I was replying to the people who keep beating the topic of "downshifting to first" with a homobat. It is generally accepted here that it's bad to downshift to first. Again, stop taking everything I said so personally.
Fourth, I drive like that everyday, and no wear and tear or signs of failure from the tranny. How's yours holding up in the bay area traffic?
Fifth, as soon as I get my coilovers and shocks (couple weeks) I plan to get into auto x.
Sixth, who really does daily driving the same was as autocrossing?
Lastly, it'd do all of us a favor if you unsuscribed because you're just instigating trouble from all of us with your offensive posts. Agree or disagree with my method of turning, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But saying I don't understand English when I'm an English major, and saying I don't know how to drive is pretty immature. I think the problem with your replies is that you either can't convey your thoughts correctly onto paper (computer) or just that you don't understand what we're trying to say.
Next time you are talking to an educated mechanic, ask him this:
Are automatic transmissions using a planetary gearset designed to downshift with the throttle closed?
He will say no, and you will realise how wrong you are.
I will scan the manual to my father's E-55 AMG tomorrow - his tipshift automatic demands blipping the throttle on downshifts.
And why do you worship Auto-X? It is not hte be all, and end all of driving. Here in Sydney, we don't have such things, but we still have Porsche track days that my father and I compete in. I sit shotgun, as I'm only 17. And it disturbs me that someone of your age and experience has such misconceptions about his own car.
You guys are funny! All I wanted to know was if my tranny is starting to fail,then all of a sudden you guys start arguing about turning!!! hahahahhahahaha
Since i've never videotaped my rpms during racing, i'll have to tape it sometime. but anyways, if we can't stay in VTEC when we get into 2nd gear I suggest a VTEC controller would eliminate this problem. w/tuning of course.....
any opinions
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I do it all the time. Somebody on this board posted a video of it.
*note*
VTEC is at 5200 right? if so when i shift and 7600, the shift takes place right before fuel cut and I end up at 5200 in 2nd. If this isn't VTEC then I take back all my posts on this thread and agree it can't be done.
you guys got to get the vafc. im in vtec 1st through 3rd at wot. HUGE difference in torque. will dust stock SH.
yah, tap the gas to blip (question up there I didnt read it last time) and shift. the torque converter has a slight play when you initially tap the gas. use that play to give enough rpm for the next lower gear to make a smooth shift. use your left foot on the brake, you your right foot to tap. if youre making a quick right handed turn, if you can heel/toe, do that to keep your body planted with your left foot on the rest pedal.
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Hey everyone, just found this thread. I've been a proud SS owner since 99.
To SS owners following this thread, I agree with arrrmand and HappymaN. Although everyone has their own unique style in SS driving, they brought up some valid and universal points that contradicted 98DiamondWhite's statements. But he didn't want to argue logically in defending his points, instead resorting to challenges and name-calling.
Anyway, the car's still driving great. I've been reading about the torque converters and PTS kits from level10, as well as manual conversions, and it all seems to involve alot of time and money. Even with just a few mods, I feel like the car has enough in it to hold its own, especially on the freeway.
Myung, the 1-2 vtec is more than do-able, and it only gets easier with the right mods.
Just use your common sense when driving, and you won't be ruining the car. If it feels like you're straining it, you probably are, so just figure out what works best and you'll be OK.
I really don't watch where my needle lands when i'm racing. I found some open road tonight and hit the 1-2 shift to see where my needle lands when it begins in 2nd gear.
On my first test I landed the needle around 5300 in 2nd gear.
Second test I landed the needle around 5500 in 2nd gear.
I don't know if it's due to my mods, but I believe I've been hitting VTEC on the 1-2shift consistently because I always shift around the same area whenever I race.
It's all about the shift points........good luck all, it's possible!
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Tried it today .... ran 1st gear alittle before redline and u know how the SS needle goes on after you shift so it shifted in the REdline area... and in 2nd VTEC was still going needle landed at about 5400 and in 3rd the same ... pretty cool
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