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Old 02-22-2005, 09:52 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Power Steering Fluid flush Write-up....

I noticed awhile ago that my p/s fluid was at the low level on the resevoir tank and was going to top it off. I looked into the tank and thought, man, that stuff is black, ist'n it supposed to be a light brown color? So thinking, I have a little squeak when I turn the wheel and wonder if fresh fluid in the system would take care of that. So I pulled out the Helms and looked thru it for a fluid flush procedure and their it was. Off to the dealer to get some p/s fluid since our Hondas use a special type, not just "cheap" stuff.

After doing the change I notice, no squeak, less drain on the system when turning the wheel and alot better feel. If you have high milage I would strongly recommend you do this, I have 126,000 miles on my 98. Here is a little write-up without pics (not really needed) to do this yourself.

Items needed:

2 bottles of Honda Power Steering Fluid (a 3rd maybe needed, I needed less than 2)
3 feet of 3/4 ID hose - I used clear to see the fluid whe it stopped coming out
1 Empty bottle - I used an empty washer fluid bottle
Turkey Baster - Thinner the better but not to thin
Duct Tap - Git-R-Done
Shop rags or paper towel
needle nose pliers



It's better to do this with a cold engine, so let it sit.

Step 1 - Remove as much of the fluid from the resevoir as you can. This is where you use the trukey baster. Remove the cap and place the baster inside and remove the fluid.

Step 2 - Once the fluid level is below the return line opening (top hose connected to the res.) disconnect the line using the needle nose pliers. Place one end of the 3 foot hose over the p/s fluid return line and use a piece of duct tape to hold the joint together. Next, run the other end of hose to an empty bottle and duct tape it securely to the bottle. This should be a pretty stong connection, the fluid comes out at a good pressure. find something to keep the bottle from moving, I surrounded it with jackstands.

Step 3 - make sure you hose to hose connection is good. P/S fluid will remove paint, make sure both connections, the return line/hose and hose/bottle are good.

Step 4 - After checking the connections and secureing the bottle start the car. Move the steering wheel back and forth from lock to lock several time until you no longer see fluid being pumped out. Then turn off car.

Step 5 - Reconnect the return line to the p/s fluid res. and fill the res to the upper level line. put cap back on and start car and turn wheel from lock to lock again. do this several times then turn off car and check fluid level. Keep doing this until the fluid level doesn't move.

The fluid will be discolored still from the remains of the old the old stuff in the system. Also the pump will be making all sorts of noise, this will go away as you refill the res and get more fluid into the system, and bleed more air out.

Take it for a test drive and feel the difference. Mine feels 10x better then what it did. This will now be a yearly maintence item for me since it takes less time then an oil change and cost less then $10. If you have any questions let me know.
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I'll double check the helms but is it safe to be 'pumping out' the fluid with the car on? Cant you fry the power steering pump running it dry?
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I'll double check the helms but is it safe to be 'pumping out' the fluid with the car on? Cant you fry the power steering pump running it dry?
i was thinking the same. although i havent looked into the helms manual on how to do this, it would seem running without fluid during the draining process would damage soem bearings inside the pump or whatnot
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It's the helms recommended way.
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Did you notice any fluid coming out of the hole on the reservoir (where the hose used to go) or did you plug it up?

Also do you leave the cap on during this process?
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I'll double check the helms but is it safe to be 'pumping out' the fluid with the car on? Cant you fry the power steering pump running it dry?


Yes, this is the method listed in the Helms manual. It's basically a simplified write-up of what they have in theirs. You are not running the pump for 30 mins but just a few at most.


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Did you notice any fluid coming out of the hole on the reservoir (where the hose used to go) or did you plug it up?

Also do you leave the cap on during this process?
I left the cap off and no fluid out of the hole. I just used the turkey baster to remove most of the fluid first then covered the hole with a shop rag. This whole process took maybe 20 min at the most.
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Yes, this is the method listed in the Helms manual. It's basically a simplified write-up of what they have in theirs. You are not running the pump for 30 mins but just a few at most.




I left the cap off and no fluid out of the hole. I just used the turkey baster to remove most of the fluid first then covered the hole with a shop rag. This whole process took maybe 20 min at the most.
Awesome, thanks. When I first read the helms I was thinking "isn't the fluid going to get all over the place?!?!?!" Didn't think about using a turkey baster, I was trying to think of all these ways to siphon it out with a pump

Turkey baster > *

I need to remember that for other purposes.
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The turkey baster is good for flushing the brake system too...less dirty oil to flush. Wouldnt it be better to add fresh fluid after basting to keep the motor form runnin dry? You can see that the system has been flushed once clean fluid starts comin out of the tube.
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WAIT isnt there a drain plug your supose to take off that drains the entire system?? its under the drivers tire i would have to raise the car up. the first time i changed my system it was like this but since i didnt get all the fluid out my fluid turned black again really soon.
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the drain plug that you are talking about is the Rack n pinion drain which does drain the power steering fluid from it. Good point!!
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Wow ancient thread, anyone know if it's better to drain from rack an pinon bolt? Maybe pressure problems that way, I'm just thinking of a reason the helms would not do it this way...
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The ONLY times you need to flush the fluid is if the rack and pinion fails and you are replacing it, you never have to touch this fluid otherwise.
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