=== Potenza S-03 Pole position VS Toyo Proxes T1-S ===
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I want to upgrade my 5th gen Prelude tires from Bridgestone Potenza RE92 to something better. I hesitate between Bridgestone Potenza S-03 Pole Position or Toyo Proxes T1-S.
I want a sticky tire that is also good in the rain to prevent hydroplaning. I tried to compare them on tirerack.com but they don't know the Toyo company. The design of the T1-S seems more effective to prevent hydroplaning but the S-03 is supposed to be very good at this.
I would like to know how those tires compare in traction and handling, and I would also like to know the price for those Toyo tires.
I've had both tires on my 5th gen lude... go with the T1S... for the money, you'll end up buying a tire that you won't really use to it's full potential...
i got the so2s they arent bad. i think the t1's will have a much harders sidewall so in turns it wont be as effective. i havent tried my so2s in the rain yet but i bet they will do fine vs stock
It was one of the best investments I've made for my car in getting Potenza S-03's. Of course I'm coming from the RE92's. The differences I've noticed, much better grip, outstanding performance in the rain, and great track runs in autocrossing. The noise, honestly I think it is quieter, but who knows.
Originally posted by BoYgUaN i got the so2s they arent bad. i think the t1's will have a much harders sidewall so in turns it wont be as effective. i havent tried my so2s in the rain yet but i bet they will do fine vs stock
Originally posted by zombi Thank you guys for your feedback !
From your comments, I understand that the S-03 is quieter and has better traction and handling than the T1-S.
But I am also concerned by the tire's capacity to resist hydroplaning, so do you know how they compare about water evacuation?
My feeling is the T1-S has direct grooves to evacuate water so it might do that job better than the S-03 but I'm not a tire expert !
Both tires are good in the wet... but the T1S is a more comfortable ride and quieter too since the sidewall is softer.
If I had to put my money on which performed better in the rain, I would say the S03 but the price difference is a lot between the 2. Besides, how often are you driving in the rain?
Originally posted by zombi But I am also concerned by the tire's capacity to resist hydroplaning, so do you know how they compare about water evacuation?
My feeling is the T1-S has direct grooves to evacuate water so it might do that job better than the S-03 but I'm not a tire expert !
Well, the S-03 have wider grooves, that evacuate large amount of water. I've driven on them in the pouring rain during a trip from San Diego back to L.A. on the 15 fwy. There was very light traffic and I was going about 70mph and felt no sign of hydroplaning. Also, it was raining at the auto-x practice last Saturday. My buddy in a E30 M3 drove my car, and he told me that my tires had more response than his BFG G-force KD in the rain. After the event, my car was the dirtiest one and I think it was due to the large amount of water/dirt being evacuated by the tires.
Anyway, I have my vote on the S-03 for sure.
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T1-s are very nice. I just got mine and they grip well.
in cold weather they are not good for obvious reasons, but that is like all z rated tires. In the rain they have been great as well.
I also noticed that I cannot chirp second gear as easily! The car just keeps pulling!
I have 3 track days and 700 highway miles on my S-03s, about 1k total. One of the track days was in the rain. These tires are awesome in the wet. The only car I couldn't catch and pass was a WRX with S-03s. They are quiet as anything and the ride is superb. Also the S-03 is one of, if not the largest tire per size available. Meaning a S-03 225 width tire is wider than most all other 225 width tires, R compounds excluded. I was going to go with P Zeros but as my long time trusted sales rep told me they last longer, perform better at the limit and are a better riding tire. If you have a dual purpose car with only one set of wheels the S-03 is the way to go.
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Originally posted by Spraylude Now I have parradas and they suck, there is no comparison.
The 1st generation Paradas lacked grip (sticky rubber)... they used a new compound this year calling it the series II Parada... Just make sure you get the series II and not the 1st generation.
Thank you for your impressions about those tires. I asked a compagny specialized in selling tires and here is what they said:
Traction: S-03 and T1-S are similar
Handling: S-03 and T1-S are similar
Hydroplaning resistance: S-03 is better
treadwear: S-03 will last a little longer
He also said S-03 had a special design to keep good wet traction while the tire wears. I will try the S-03 because, for me, tires are as important as shoes. And, like Vin Diesel will say in "The Fast and The Furious 2" :
"When you drive a Prelude in twisties, the only thing between you and death is your tires"
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