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Old 09-05-2011, 03:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Please tell me how bad I got burned on a purchase.

I just purchased a 98 with 168K for what I thought was a good deal. The guy I bought it from met me half way, so he had to drive it about 60 miles to get there. I checked the oil it was just below the top line. It ran great during the test drive. Everything else on it checked out except the AC compressor. So i bought it for $3300. I drove it home and checked the oil later on that night it was barely on the stick, so I changed to oil and it was about 3 quarts low, so I call the guy he ignored my calls. I can see a little bit of white smoke in the exhaust, so I do a compression test. I pull the plug wire off the cylinder closest to the distributor and its has quite a bit of oil around the plug and the same for the one next to it. But the other two are fine. I was wondering if the piston was pushing it up through the threads or I can tell where one of the previous owners put that gasket sealer around valve cover and maybe its leaking inside of the hole. The motor was supposed to be replaced, how can I tell if it has. The motor year is the same as the car but the car is 2 months older than the motor. the motor is a h22a4. Please tell me what yall think about the leak and it I got ****ed or not. Sorry for the long post.
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Old 09-05-2011, 03:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The oil in the spark plug tube is bad spark plug tube o-rings. They are rubber and easliy replaced. Do all 4 along with a new VC gasket as well.

Also, let the car sit for about 15-20 minutes before checking the oil. It takes a bit for it all to get down there.
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Don't feel. I bought a 98 model with 124K and got totally caught up in how good of shape the car was. Turned out it was also 2 quarts low and it ate a quart of oil every 300 miles.

No big deal, I still love this car enough to spend the time and money to rebuild it.

I got ripped even worse. I paid $4200.

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So what were your comp test results? How does the plugs look? Chalky, wet, etc..
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the compression tester i rented from the zone didnt work. Two of the plugs had oil on them one had alot of carbon built up on it and the other one was fine. But if the piston rings were bad it would allow oil to travel up into cylinder and would blow it out of the exhaust, right? Would it have enough pressure to push it up under the plugs? So does anybody know how to tell if the motor has been replaced. the motor was built two months after the car according to the stamp on the motor.
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oh yeah the kid i bought it from was clueless i was talking to him today he doesnt even know to check the oil in the car. he said im not a "car guy". what a f999ing joke!
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I said it once and I will say it yet again, the reason you have oil in with the plugs is due to bad spark plug tube o-rings. It's common to happen to many Honda's. From what your saying is, as soon as you remove the spark plug wire and there is oil on the end of the wire where it attaches to the plug. Then you look down at the plug and oil is in there with it. True?

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You need to finish your compression and leak down test. From there we may figure out more. I assume you haven't pulled off the VC yet either.
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couldn't be worst, i purchased my 97 prelude on mid may this year and it motor gave out on me end of June. it was little over a month and the stealership said the purchase was as is, i was pretty upset and now i am doing a JDM swap. hopefully it will be on the road within a week or two. sigh... H22a4's watch out for the oil comsumption.
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nope i havent pulled the cover off. I still have to get another compression tester. What sould the PSI per cylinder be?
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The compression should be 190 (approximately, it could be 10% +/- on this).

What it most important is that all cylinders should be within 10% PSI of each other.

I agree with Honda 4 life, it is most important to know the compression before going further.

You may still be ok, just need to get the data before anyone here can advise how to help.
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i just got done doing a compression test a school #1 cylinder was 190, #2 was 135, #3 was 200, and #4 was like 205. So hopefully we are going to pull the motor out on monday at school and tare into it. Well it be ok to drive it with the compression like that and the oil its burning until monday?
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so is it ok to drive it with it missing like that? i want to take it out of town this weekend.
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Do the compression test, pick the seals up from your local dealership- install - and get back to us with the compression test results. Also install all 4 new spark plugs (be sure to check the gap)


If your motor is messed up, or is on the thin line of being further messed up or fixed - it's best not to go out joy riding. Get it checked out ASAP or you may find yourself replacing a motor.
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Do the compression test, pick the seals up from your local dealership- install - and get back to us with the compression test results. Also install all 4 new spark plugs (be sure to check the gap)


If your motor is messed up, or is on the thin line of being further messed up or fixed - it's best not to go out joy riding. Get it checked out ASAP or you may find yourself replacing a motor.
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i just got done doing a compression test a school #1 cylinder was 190, #2 was 135, #3 was 200, and #4 was like 205. So hopefully we are going to pull the motor out on monday at school and tare into it. Well it be ok to drive it with the compression like that and the oil its burning until monday?
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i just got done doing a compression test a school #1 cylinder was 190, #2 was 135, #3 was 200, and #4 was like 205. So hopefully we are going to pull the motor out on monday at school and tare into it. Well it be ok to drive it with the compression like that and the oil its burning until monday?
you must have skipped over this post... What name brand or parts should i get my motor parts like rings, rods, pistons, vales ect.. Im only going to replace what needs to be.. Who makes the best gaskets Felpro??
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You just didn't say Felpro now did you? Please, stay far away from there products.

Funny on another forum we have been discussing gasket brands. Most on that site stick with OEM and not 1 person had complaints about OEM.

After that people liked Altrom.

Evergreen is another to stay far away from besides Felpro.
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ya the bolt got stuck and broke off he said it crossed thred and thays why they got a replacement engine so is there a why to fis it are do i need a new crank
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go on ebay look up the honda intake valve gasket, you need to do the whole gasket when you pull the valve cover, it comes with the 4 spark plug rings, washers, and the gasket that goes around the entire valve cover. put hondabond at the corners and torque it to the CORRECT torque and good to go. 15 minute job. easy.

i would do this FIRST before seeing if anything else is wrong, since oil is in the spark plug this is obviously an issue, and who knows maybe its the only big one

also might as well swap out the cam seals while the intake head is off
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go on ebay look up the honda intake valve gasket, you need to do the whole gasket when you pull the valve cover, it comes with the 4 spark plug rings, washers, and the gasket that goes around the entire valve cover. put hondabond at the corners and torque it to the CORRECT torque and good to go. 15 minute job. easy.

i would do this FIRST before seeing if anything else is wrong, since oil is in the spark plug this is obviously an issue, and who knows maybe its the only big one

also might as well swap out the cam seals while the intake head is off
The OP has bigger problems than that as the compression of cylinder #2 is way lower than the other 3.

Also many of the ebay gasket kits are Evergreen brand which many stay away from for certain reasons.
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