well im pretty much a noob too all this and wanted some help in gettin a new engine for my 5th gen lude. My car started burnin oil n now its pretty bad it i have to mayb put like 1/2 qt - a full qt dependin on my drivin every 1-2weeks and even worse its starting to go to my spark plugs. So i was thinking of gettin my engine fixed but then kinda thought it would be to expensive as a rebuilt so im looking into gettin another engine. But don no wat type i should go with should i stick with the same engine o type s etc???? . I also saw some guy get a SIR Accord Engine in his prelude is that a good option??? Price kinda dont matter to me just wana do it rite!!!!
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well im pretty much a noob too all this and wanted some help in gettin a new engine for my 5th gen lude. My car started burnin oil n now its pretty bad it i have to mayb put like 1/2 qt - a full qt dependin on my drivin every 1-2weeks and even worse its starting to go to my spark plugs. So i was thinking of gettin my engine fixed but then kinda thought it would be to expensive as a rebuilt so im looking into gettin another engine. But don no wat type i should go with should i stick with the same engine o type s etc???? . I also saw some guy get a SIR Accord Engine in his prelude is that a good option??? Price kinda dont matter to me just wana do it rite!!!!
These statements seem to contradict. I would recommend just going with a rebuild. Depending on what you need to replace, you should be able to get it done for under $2000. If you were going to swap motors, it would likely cost about the same for just a JDM H22a, but you would not really know about the condition and may encounter some of the same problems again. If you have it rebuilt by a good shop, it should be nearly like new again. This would probably last longer than a swap.
If you are going to do a swap, I would recommend just an JDM H22a or a USDM H22a4 since its a 5th gen. The USDM H22a4 will match up with your existing wiring. If you switched to an OBDI motor (i.e. the H22a1 or H22a) you would probalby have to mess with the ECU swap and change some sensors and/or wiring.
I would steer clear of the Type S motor, especially if you don't have an SH already....although I guess if you just used the motor and kept your base drivetrain it might be okay. The Type S will likely be difficult to swap over to, even if you already have an SH.
These statements seem to contradict. I would recommend just going with a rebuild. Depending on what you need to replace, you should be able to get it done for under $2000. If you were going to swap motors, it would likely cost about the same for just a JDM H22a, but you would not really know about the condition and may encounter some of the same problems again. If you have it rebuilt by a good shop, it should be nearly like new again. This would probably last longer than a swap.
If you are going to do a swap, I would recommend just an JDM H22a or a USDM H22a4 since its a 5th gen. The USDM H22a4 will match up with your existing wiring. If you switched to an OBDI motor (i.e. the H22a1 or H22a) you would probalby have to mess with the ECU swap and change some sensors and/or wiring.
I would steer clear of the Type S motor, especially if you don't have an SH already....although I guess if you just used the motor and kept your base drivetrain it might be okay. The Type S will likely be difficult to swap over to, even if you already have an SH.
Well like money wise i dont mind doing the rebuild on my engine but if i can buy another engine w less miles for the same amount of money for gettin it rebuilt idk if that would be better. The only reason why i say that is that is this car has about 200,xxxx plus miles on it. It is pretty much my daily driver so i was kinda assuming if i do a straight swap it would take less time rite???? .. well wat is the diff between the JDM H22A vs the USDM H22A4??
The differences are mainly in the sensors and then the balance shaft and the oil pump. You have to swap them out if you want to use the USDM version of OBDII. For us Ca people, we have to do that to make it legal.
But if you don't have to pass smog/inspection, then you can just get a conversion harness and swap to OBDI which may be easier.
Keep in mind that the stuff you need to swap over on a JDM H22 is already on your current motor. So you just have to keep those parts intact and swap them out.
pIERCE pretty much nailed it. There are other differences between the H22a, H22a1, and H22a4, however, they are not going to affect your swap. The differences he listed are what will need to be fixed.
I only suggested a rebuild over a swap because swaps can have more miles than advertised. Also, in the USDM H22a4 ('97 and maybe '98) the motors from the factory had a poorly designed piston ring. This caused leaking/burning of oil. If you got a used motor and it happened to be one of these, you will still be adding more oil to it. If you went with a rebuild, you would KNOW for sure what parts were being used and that the internals were new (or whichever internals you replace anyways). I had my '97 H22a4 rebuilt with Type S pistons and new Honda OEM rings (the non-defective ones), and it doesn't burn any oil - well it may still burn a little, but the amount is negligible compared to what it used to be.
Doing a rebuild might take longer, as far as down time, but it might result in a better, longer-lasting motor. Just my 2 cents.
You could start by removing your head and checking your sleevs for wear , tear and damage; I oince had a jdm engine and i thought it burnt a little too muchj oil so i took the head off and seen the sleeves were crumbling apart on the inside. Swapped out the block for a rebuilt a4, cleaned it all up and put the head back on and problem solved, cost me about 600 for the while thing.(no ,labor as i did it).
If you are ogin to swap tyhe engine jsut to keep it form burnign oil you may want to look into your engine first and see what needs to be replaced. If you cant do the work yourself then perhaps a swap is better, but then you run the risk of getting not so good engine.
The differences are mainly in the sensors and then the balance shaft and the oil pump. You have to swap them out if you want to use the USDM version of OBDII. For us Ca people, we have to do that to make it legal.
But if you don't have to pass smog/inspection, then you can just get a conversion harness and swap to OBDI which may be easier.
Keep in mind that the stuff you need to swap over on a JDM H22 is already on your current motor. So you just have to keep those parts intact and swap them out.
well thanx alot pIERCE &TJ97SH!!!! well that clears up my ?s pretty stick basically to what i have now and build from there to make easier on me. Do u guys have ne suggestions on whom i can get an engine from?? because i think wat ima do is just get a used engine swap it in and then take this one apart and check if its worth rebuilding so i can have that as the back up!!!
A rebuild if you pay a machine shop to do the while thing will unfortunately cost at least $2.5k, if not upwards of $3k.
You pick your poison.
I have the same problem with my lude but i burn sometimes an entire quart a day. I have already head swapped and replaced numerous things and nothing has changed and its breaking my heart. you have to remember though if you dont have the means to swap a motor yourself then your might end up spending the same amount of money. To buy a decent motor could cost in the ball park of 1k to 1.4k, but having a shop do the swap could be from 500 to 1k as well. its really a tough question, something i've been battling with.
Damm thats alot. well i found some guy in canada that well sell me the engine for like 1250-1350 plus shippin and the mechanic said it would be like 200 to install it.
if you have someone who will swap a motor for you for 200 bucks he must be a good friend or you live in the middle of the country where life is hard to find lol. cause i am in northern Virginia and i have been qouted nothing under 800 bucks.
Those two sites I posted above both have base H22's with no ecu or trans(both you shouldn't need if you already have a running car) for $1k. I'm not sure about shipping.
About having the motor rebuilt, I had mine done for just about $1000. That did not include the new pistons and rings, but it did include all new gaskets, seals, and the machine work to get the engine back up and running (honing cylinder walls, valve job, milled head for flatness). It also included checking all tolerances on things such as valves, piston connecting rods, etc. It also included the cleaning, disassembly, diagnosis of problems, and reassembly of the motor.
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A swap will cost ~$1k-1.7k.
A rebuild if you pay a machine shop to do the while thing will unfortunately cost at least $2.5k, if not upwards of $3k.
You pick your poison.
I think if you were going to do the labor of pulling and re-installing the motor yourself, you could have one rebuilt for about $1500. This is assuming that you would just be needing basic OEM replacement parts such as gaskets, piston rings, etc. and that you wouldn't have to replace any major components of the engine. You are in Texas (right?), as am I , and I think you should be able to find a machine shop that would do similar work to what I had done for a similar price.
It depends on what you want to do though. If I had the money to get a swap AND keep my motor to rebuild as a backup, I would want to do that too. Good luck!
About having the motor rebuilt, I had mine done for just about $1000. That did not include the new pistons and rings, but it did include all new gaskets, seals, and the machine work to get the engine back up and running (honing cylinder walls, valve job, milled head for flatness). It also included checking all tolerances on things such as valves, piston connecting rods, etc. It also included the cleaning, disassembly, diagnosis of problems, and reassembly of the motor.
I think if you were going to do the labor of pulling and re-installing the motor yourself, you could have one rebuilt for about $1500. This is assuming that you would just be needing basic OEM replacement parts such as gaskets, piston rings, etc. and that you wouldn't have to replace any major components of the engine. You are in Texas (right?), as am I , and I think you should be able to find a machine shop that would do similar work to what I had done for a similar price.
It depends on what you want to do though. If I had the money to get a swap AND keep my motor to rebuild as a backup, I would want to do that too. Good luck!
Yeah i live out here in El Paso, Tx well ima take a look at those sites so i can start getting everything together. All i needs is the engine to swap my tranny is good so its just a motor im looking for and trying to get in n out of the shop as quick as i can. But that makes me feel better tho bout keepin my engine as a back if all goes well mayb ill have the 2nd engine w all my mods i want in it!!!! thnks
if you have someone who will swap a motor for you for 200 bucks he must be a good friend or you live in the middle of the country where life is hard to find lol. cause i am in northern Virginia and i have been qouted nothing under 800 bucks.
LMFAO .. well i live in El Paso, Tx and its my dads friend whos does the works so kinda of a friend but he does really good job and his labor cost aint expensive at all man
lol, i just got done tearing one of mine down and replacing the bottome end, i paid for the heagasket, intakemanifold gasket, throttle body gasket, some blue seal silcon, front and rear mains, oil coolerseal, injector o rings and base rings, egr gasket, etc and if the whole thing(with some minor machining) cost me 600 buck i would be surprised. After the engine was out it took me about a week to get all the things cleaned up and the engine put back together. Very worth it, the block i had had bad sleeves and burned, the block i put into it was exceptional in condition(it was a used long taken out of a wrecked lude). If you can do the work yourseld so it, but i doubt you are goin to get anyone unless he is close freind to do a swap for you for 200. Just becareful as he may try to charge you more when he realise the car he is working on. How many swaps has he done?
lol, i just got done tearing one of mine down and replacing the bottome end, i paid for the heagasket, intakemanifold gasket, throttle body gasket, some blue seal silcon, front and rear mains, oil coolerseal, injector o rings and base rings, egr gasket
Front and rear main..bearings? How'd the thrust bearing look(I'm trying to get an idea)?
So, you replaced the piston rings? Did you hone the cylinder?
if you had read what i wrote you would hve seen i said i repalced the bottom end with a used one in exceptional shape. The list i listed is the gaskets, belts and other odds and ends i needed to reinstall a decked oem rebuilt head(already had the head).
i only spend 600 on the whole thing so you shouldnt be thinking complete rebuild. Although i do have the componanets to rebuld my a4 block for boost and will be undertaking that project later in the summer.
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So you just have to keep those parts intact and swap them out.
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