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Old 03-07-2004, 12:08 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Maybe time for a rebuild.... arg..

Hey... after a whole long ordeal with putting on a JRSC, having an oild sending problem and snapping the Tbelt, replacing the head... the car is back in one piece... but in bad shape.

As my suspicions were correct, the previous owner either beat the hell out of the car, or failed to break it in properly, it was partially my own fault for being naive, but the car was burning 1qt every 1000 miles or so in the summer (synthetic 5w30). But of course, being the kind of person I am, I took out some personal time and installed the JRSC anyways. And knowing my luck, had oil sending problems etc that caused the timing belt to snap.

Timing belt replaced and oil sending problems fixed, the JRSC is still on the car, but now I blow blue smoke every time i rev past ~2k its definately motor oil, I can smell it. Further more, when i remove the hose to the PCV valve while the car is running, theres a fair amount of white smoke, same goes for when i remove the hose connecting my CAI and Valve cover (where people usually put in a breather... this is all blow by i assume?)... I will post video about this on thursday (when i go back to the shop again). Furthermore, I am getting a weird knocking sound from the used head that i purchased, it has 10k miles on it, pressure and water tested (buyer has people to vouche for him) and SS valves. The valves were adjusted by the shop that did the head swap (after a lot of work removing the top portion of the SC again), and the shop is telling me that the valve seals are leaking, the seller is telling me the seals were fine while on his car, and H-T is telling me that theres a good chance its the rings... i have no idea what to go with...

Other than flaming on me for being "bad" with making sure my car was ready to be SC'd, I'm thinking its time to have the bottom end rebuilt, or basically, new rings, possibly sleeves etc. What is my smartest way to go about this? I'm most definately running FI (6psi, but I plan for 9psi if i build the motor correctly). I honestly dont have much money to spend, I just need to get rid of this oil burning problem, and pinpoint if its my rings or my valve seals that are bad. Heres my questions for whoever can help me....

What are symptoms of bad rings, and how are they different from bad valve seals?

Should I be able to see the blow by from my pcv valve during idle?

Should i assume i have both bad rings AND bad valve seals? (considering i was burning 1qt per 1000mi before the SC and the snapped belt)

How much should i be expecting to spend on a ring job? (guestimate)

Should i be getting resleeved at the same time? how much will THAT cost? (guestimate)

What else should i get done while I get my rings done?


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Old 03-07-2004, 01:29 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Maybe time for a rebuild.... arg..

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pinpoint if its my rings or my valve seals that are bad.
Have a cylinder leakdown test performed, it will tell you where the problems lie. Do this BEFORE the engine is taken apart.
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Old 03-07-2004, 02:47 PM   #3 (permalink)
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If it is the rings, might as well replace the valve stem seals while the head's off.
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Old 03-07-2004, 03:04 PM   #4 (permalink)
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they wont need to remove the valve cover or anything like that for the leakdown right? any idea how much it will cost? and should i let honda do the leakdown test?
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they wont need to remove the valve cover or anything like that for the leakdown right? any idea how much it will cost? and should i let honda do the leakdown test?
Scroll down a bit:

How To Do A Compression Test...
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Old 03-07-2004, 03:13 PM   #6 (permalink)
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im having the same problem, maybe no as bad and im about to have my car turbo'ed. im wondering what to idenify the problem as and where it is, so i can tell honda to fix it on warranty (since i bought the car used w/ extened warranty.)

also wondering will the things like cam seals be covered by warrratny?
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Old 03-07-2004, 04:10 PM   #7 (permalink)
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And if i keep running while burning lots of oil, i'm sure to ruin my catalytic converter correct?

the leakdown doesnt seem too bad, i'll have to find a reputable shop in NY (any good recommendations?), i'll just have to ask around to get quoted.

and about rebuilding the motor.... should i just do rings? what kind of expenses am i looking at? I'm really preparing for the worst here...
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Old 03-07-2004, 11:41 PM   #8 (permalink)
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sorry to hear about your car blowing smoke and blue smoke >not good this could be the rings !! test the compress. and go from there !! but most of the time when you just do half a motor it really never works right !!!just get a long block and be done for like 2200 !!
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Old 05-03-2004, 07:24 PM   #9 (permalink)
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just as a follow up... its been about 3.5 weeks, RPM (www.rpmnyc.com) has been backed up with race season starting.... picked up a sleeved bare block, arias pistons.. balbhalbhalbhl... basically a motor build due to blown ringlands....
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Old 05-03-2004, 07:36 PM   #10 (permalink)
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hey...was gonna IM u, prob still will, but we started on ur car today. pulled it in and the motor is out. sorry for all the downtime. like u stated race season. we have like 4 race cars plus our own. we dont even have time to build our own car. ill keep u updated as it goes along. ur always welcome to call up or drop by and look around. thanks for ur patience though. itll all be worth it in the end.
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Old 05-03-2004, 07:46 PM   #11 (permalink)
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just do a wet test on all your cylinders. That'll tell you if it's a ring problem or a valve problem. But since you broke your timing belt, most likely a valve problem. Email me for instrustions on wet test if you need it.
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Old 05-03-2004, 08:17 PM   #12 (permalink)
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