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Old 12-15-2011, 07:05 AM   #21 (permalink)
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The ATTS system works as an open differential when not functioning. So you can have an SH engine, SH transmission, ATTS unit, and SH transaxles on a base model with 0 problems. It's just an extra 60lbs or so of dead weight.

The sensors are located throughout the suspension. The Helm's manual can help you track them down.
So the "base" driveaxles would not be able to hook up to the SH transmission is what I am getting out of this... which is a good thing to know. Just makes for a confusing trip to the parts store when I need things! LOL

If in the future I decide to hook it up, I assume that I will just need to get the wiring harnesses for the sensors and hook it up to the ATTS control...

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Don't sell the control unit if you plan on getting atts functional :-) atts is a wonderful addition to our preludes. Ill take some pictures for you when the rain stops sometime this weekend while im off work. Ill be getting new front tires to. Ill see if the guy at discount tire will let me do a walk around and snap a few photos of the suspension while its lifted and ill get a few of the atts for you to.

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like kronn pointed out, to have a functioning atts system your going to need ALL the sensor that come with it. thats going to cost way to much. you will never have an operating atts system in your base.
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Old 12-17-2011, 12:03 AM   #24 (permalink)
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like kronn pointed out, to have a functioning atts system your going to need ALL the sensor that come with it. thats going to cost way to much. you will never have an operating atts system in your base.
I guess that is all in the eye of the beholder really, as to being too expensive...

I actually saw a listing on ebay for an ATTS unit with all the sensors that sold for $165! ( eBay - New & used electronics, cars, apparel, collectibles, sporting goods & more at low prices ) I almost picked it up myself, but didn't want to have an extra one if mine actually has all the sensors already.

I'm ok with putting some money and time into it... I try to find all the deals, so I usually don't end up spending much.
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Old 02-16-2012, 07:36 PM   #25 (permalink)
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You were right, my dash does not have the ATTS light when I turn the key (does this mean I do not have it at all, or just that I need to connect a certain fuse to light it up?) I probably won't have the money to put in the ATTS system if I do not already have it. I just may sell that control unit to you if that is the case.

On the driver side transaxle case, I found this sticker:
Attachment 5669

P6K:1002173 is on the sticker.
I'm not sure where to find all the sensors.

So I can still have the SH motor and tranny, but NOT have the ATTS equipment installed? Is it running off the "base" transaxles then? I'll need to know if I ever need to replace CV shafts I imagine.
Hey Kronn:
I forgot to bug you about the transaxle case mentioned above a while ago!
Also, can you give me the year on the tranny code? Thank you for your help with all these codes!
M2U4-200105? (7 where the ? is I think) I attached a pic below
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What sensors are you looking for? I'm finishing my clutch now on my sh.....can snap a few photos for you.

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What sensors are you looking for? I'm finishing my clutch now on my sh.....can snap a few photos for you.

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Awesome... I was curious as to whether or not my tranny actually HAS all the sensors, and wasn't sure where they were on it. I'm guessing they are all under the IM just below the oil filter? A picture would really help me to locate them, and see if they are all there.

If mine actually has them, I would love to eventually get it up and running... just means I'll have to swap in the SH suspension on my car for it to work correctly. (eventually is the operative word of course)

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is there a component/sensor in the steering wheel/column that works with the atts? or is there another reason why the base/sh steering wheels are different?
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hey kronn:
I forgot to bug you about the transaxle case mentioned above a while ago!
also, can you give me the year on the tranny code? Thank you for your help with all these codes!
M2u4-200105? (7 where the ? Is i think) i attached a pic below
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Thanks for the info Kronn!
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Steering wheels aren't different are they? No problem. I'd like to see a successful base to sh swap :-)

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the sh has a notch taken out of it where it connects to the hub (?whatever its called you stick the wheel on). the base does not. i had to dremel my s2k wheel when i put it in my sh. my base wheel has no such notch.

Important info for peeps with SH and want to install an S2K wheel...
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Good to know.

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Steering wheels aren't different are they? No problem. I'd like to see a successful base to sh swap :-)
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the sh has a notch taken out of it where it connects to the hub (?whatever its called you stick the wheel on). the base does not. i had to dremel my s2k wheel when i put it in my sh. my base wheel has no such notch.

Important info for peeps with SH and want to install an S2K wheel...
Good point.... so I am assuming that I would need to swap just the hub off a SH (and steering wheel while I am at it)? Or the entire steering column? Sounds to me that there is only the one switch sensor in the column...
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I really do not want to be negative. But getting the ATTS working is not really worth it. All you have is the tranny and ATTS unit. You are missing the sensors Honda mounted int he vehicle and more importantly, a lot of wiring to connect it all together. Someone installed a SH motor & tranny combo in your base because that is all they could find. If they used the base harness that came off the old engine there will be a large plug hanging off the back of the ATTS unit (assuming that small harness was not removed). If they used the ATTS harness there will be a plug fromt he engine harness not connected to the body harness up by the fuse box in the engine.

You said the ATTS control unit is not pulgged in. Is there even a harness there to pug it into? I am thinking NO.

Either way, you do not have engough of the system to get it working without a lot of work and money.

Again, I am not trying to be negative and shoot down your dreams, just realistic about your chances of actually pulling this off.
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why not just get lsd equipped tranmission and scrap the atts all together, IMO that is the easiest route.
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Half the works done for him. A harness and a the sensors wouldnt be to much work in my opinion. The motor/trans is the blunt of the cost of the conversion. Its an oppertunity to familiarize and learn something about it and his car to. Suspension wouldn't be hard to swap out either. Specially if he planned on upgrading it anyway. Its not like he wants this done over night am I wrong? Stop putting it down and help him out....

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Beleive me. Even if he had all the parts he needed that is only 20% of the job. The hard part would be identifying and seperating the necessary harness from a donor car and installing it into his car. It would be an electrical nightmare to me. And I have done this stuff before. And in the end, the reward would not be worth the work. If you could even get it to work.

But if you want to do it, the first thing you will need is factory service manuals with acurate electrical diagrams.

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Half the works done for him. A harness and a the sensors wouldnt be to much work in my opinion. The motor/trans is the blunt of the cost of the conversion. Its an oppertunity to familiarize and learn something about it and his car to. Suspension wouldn't be hard to swap out either. Specially if he planned on upgrading it anyway. Its not like he wants this done over night am I wrong? Stop putting it down and help him out....
No plans on doing this anytime soon unfortunately, but I've felt that it COULD be a neat project in the future if I were ever able to pick up a wrecked SH and be able to take my time with it. It would purely be for my own enjoyment, as it would not be worth much since it truly is a base model by VIN# no matter how many SH parts I add to it.

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Beleive me. Even if he had all the parts he needed that is only 20% of the job. The hard part would be identifying and seperating the necessary harness from a donor car and installing it into his car. It would be an electrical nightmare to me. And I have done this stuff before. And in the end, the reward would not be worth the work. If you could even get it to work.

But if you want to do it, the first thing you will need is factory service manuals with acurate electrical diagrams.

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It would surely be MUCH easier (and cheaper) to just buy a SH... I actually hope that I can buy one sometime in the future to add to the collection!

Why ANYBODY puts the amount of time and money into some of their car projects is purely out of love for the car they have. To expect to gain anything or re-coupe your time and money from a project like this is just silly.

I plan on having this car for a while and would like to have some fun with it. To be honest, if someone wanted to trade me a base engine and tranny for my SH engine and tranny I would be open to it to be able to make it stock again.

I am reminded of my younger years when I helped my Dad restore a '67 Mustang 289 for about 4-5 years. It was a car he had liked in HIS youth and they were super common still in the '80's and could be found easily in every junk yard around the U.S. It was only 15 or so years old...

I realized a few days ago, when my daughter was helping me to fix MY 15 year old car that I liked when I was younger, that I was doing the same thing now! It was a great feeling, but at the same time made me feel a lttle old! LOL

From a collector stand-point, the best thing to do is keep it stock. When we got T-boned in the '67 stang, the car was toast. We went in search of another one, but every 67 we looked at was either a hack-job, a rust bucket, or some kid had tried to beef it up to drag and race or make it ghetto (can't tell you how many "hurst" shifters we saw out there!).
We didn't want someone else's "project", otherwise known as a "problem."

I see that with our Preludes as well. The future is going to hold these cars in the same ranks as the Mustangs, T-birds, and Corvettes of our parents time in my opinion.
But, the more non-stock stuff we do to them, the less they are worth in the long run.

So, back to my Non-SH SH transplant prelude. The best thing to do with my car would be to put a Base engine and tranny back into it... I agree. I purchased it with the engine already swapped, and a bunch of other non-stock stuff done to it. I've been slowly bringing it back to stock as you can see from my prior posts. I don't have a ton of money, so it will not be a short journey, and I am fine with that.

As far as sensors go, besides the ones all over the transmission and ATTS unit, and the steering column, what other sensors are there that help to operate the ATTS that you say I am missing? I noticed when I purchased it, that the fuse block had been swapped along with the engine, so I have to wonder if all the wiring came with it from the SH donor as well... Until I really get into that area of the restore, I won't really know.
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