whats up everyone. newbie here. well i just bought a 98 prelude auto base model. the engine is smoking and the transmission is slipping. i got this prelude at a dealer and got robbed. the car has been sitting for two months now and im finally ready to buy the new engine and trans. i will be buying the H22A with the auto tiptronic trans. then i ll propably sell it to buy a 5 speed. can anyone tell me what parts i need to swap from the h22a4 to the h22a. i have done a lot of research but i can never get a straight answer. is it better to use OEM or after market part like from advance auto parts or auto zone? will the H22a4 timing belt work for the h22a? thanks for any help guys.
the h22a and h22a4 is basically the same thing. only differences are is compression ratio and i believe they all come in obd-1 other than that they are the same, unless you get a type s h22.
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you don't have to swap anything over. the reason you would swap parts over would be to keep it emissions legal if you do any sort of emissions testing in your state.
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I just did a thread on this kinda thing, i went through all the parts i had to buy and then all the parts i had to swap over form the h22a4, by the way i used a jdm h22a with the lsd m2b4 tranny. I also included a rough price estimate on the parts and labour and whatnot, remember though that all th eprices i had written down are in canadien dollars.
yes please link the thread. I'm planning on swapping my sh h22 w/ a base h22 due to the fact that it takes some custom modification to get LSD which is all i want for this swap ....plus I've never done a swap and I'm really anxious to do so. To throw in there so I don't sound stupid, I do plan on rebuilding the motor during this swap and am having trouble finding the motor. My buddy is telling me about a k20. never heard this being done on a prelude, anyone hear other.
heres the link to the thread but i also bumped it for another person(not you guys this guy is just a douchbag, so pls excuse the comment on the bottom of the bump, its meant for someone specific), this is the link and if you have any questions feel free to ask, i have done this swap a few times now and each time they start and run perfect,(actually the engine that this link is too, i just got done doing the break in and the engine runs so well, all my freainds tell me my car purrs like a large kitten).
the h22a and h22a4 is basically the same thing. only differences are is compression ratio and i believe they all come in obd-1 other than that they are the same, unless you get a type s h22.
Also the h22a's are a closed deck block with the the crank postiton sensor in the dizzy, they have slighly higher compression and use an intake manifold that doesnt have the emissions gas recirculation system in it(egr system), also fRom each year up the engines got slightly better tunes to them to squeeze out the most power. The h22a4 are open deck block with 10.0 to 1 compression and use an obd2 egr system. The pulleys on the crank and balance shafts are diffrent and so are the exhuast manifolds(the stock h22a are slighlt shorter to fit into the 4th gen chassis. Also the ecus are different from the h22a to the h22a4's, the ecus are tuned on the pre 1997 to run a peak and hold inhjector where as the 97+ are tuned to run a saturation type injector, Because of this you cannot use the 4th gen intake manifold with out having to replace the injectors and then the knock sensor cuz the plug ins are different. All in all there are many differences in the engines, so many of them are small and get overlooked by many people doing the swaps.
Do you guys think I should get OEM parts from the honda dealer or from Avance auto parts? I'm kinda strap for cash now that I payed for the engine and transmission.
Honestly i would go with the genuine hond part, but if your strapped for cash and wanna buy the napa or autozone equivalent then feel fre to do so but i myself like to stick with the dealer parts or another aftermarket brand that i know works well(GREDDY, skunk2, apexi, mugen, tein,eibach, the like ect...), remeber it is you car and not anyone elses so put the parts that you feel comfortable putting in. But as an example one time when i was broke i needed new brakepads as my were gone completly and you could hear them scraping on the rotors, so i went out an dbought canadian tire nascar brand and they are the worst brake pads i have ever used and i regretted buying them but i had to as i had no money or brakes so.....circumstance do make a difference my freind; but you be the judge of that.
Ok so do i use part for the 98 prelude or 92-96 prelude because i hear people say that even if its a 97-01 h22a they use the 92-96 parts? for example the oil filter. is this true? thanks guys for all your input. this is my first engine swap and first JDM engine so work with me. thanks.
the oil filter is the same for both engines so you can use it. Which ecu are you going to use? This is the determining factor for many of the problems you may run into.
Ok so do i use part for the 98 prelude or 92-96 prelude because i hear people say that even if its a 97-01 h22a they use the 92-96 parts? for example the oil filter. is this true? thanks guys for all your input. this is my first engine swap and first JDM engine so work with me. thanks.
they use the 96 manual tensioner instead of the 97 auto tensioner
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well i was thinking of using the ecu that came on my 98 prelude because that's the only one i have. im not sure what the model number is on my ecu but i can check. the guy i bought the engine from said i only need to change the distributor and few other things since the JDM engine i got came out of a 97-01 prelude. From most of the threads i've read people change these parts.
crank pulley
balanceshaft pulley
complete intake manifold
exhaust manifold
ecu
wireharness
distributor
alternator
knock sensor
oil cooler
i got this list from your write up bouckaroo but its similar to all the other writes. so do i really have to change all the parts over. what timing belt do i use lilredlude or anyone. Someone that has done this swap please help.
thanks guys for all the input. bouckaroo so will i be fine if i swap all the parts in that list? can i get a lil input on the oil pan. what part do i have to change out of there. im also using the USDM ECU for this swap. sorry for all the questions i just wanna be ready with all the correct info. i think i might start this swap on not sure tho. once again thank you both.
well the oil pan, i used the usdm oil pan but i replaced the seal at the rear of it, it was a $6 part so well worth it. If you are using the obd2 ecu then swap the intake mani the dizzy and i would recomend buying a new oil pump as then you wont have to worry about it again, but if cash is tight then reuse. Also since you are gonna have the engine out replace the fuel filter and go over your bay once or twice to make sure everything is cleaned up and then that way you will notice if your leaking oil or anything like that. Also it is wise to go to the delaership and review what parts you have and what you may need. If you can afford it then try and replace the mounts also. Dont be afraid to ask questions, it is better to ask then to destroy your engine.
ok so i just got my engine and tranny yesterday. i gotta say looks pretty good. here is the list of parts that i will buy to replace with new parts. if you see that im missing a part please let me know. i will oder my parts from this place. South Bay Honda - Honda Automotive Parts Store BASE&catcgry4=KA4AT
I cant find this parts in the web site i provided so if you find them let me know. oem left and right axel seal
oem main seal
oem oil cooler o ring
oem oil pan seal
the parts that i will change over are
crank pulley
balanceshaft pulley
complete intake manifold
exhaust manifold
wireharness
distributor
alternator
i will use the OBD 2 ECU
i'm not sure where the knock sensor is located so if anyone can help that would be coo thanks anyone
i will look through all my reciepts and try and find you the part numbers for those parts man. Also, look on your head. right above where the exhaust manifold attaches and check your date clock, it is those three circle things with arrows in them. Go into honda and find out when and where it was made. Just to make sure it is what the people who sold you say it is.
ok so i finally started my engine swap and i did check the stamps above the ex manifold and it was manufactured in 96 so i think the engine came out of a 97 prelude. my question is, if my prelude has the h22a4 with the auto tiptronic tranny and im swapping for the h22a with the auto tiptronic trans would i still have to swap my oil pan. i also bought the complete auto to manual tensioner conversion but i hear a lot of people have been having problems with this conversion. should i do it or not. what can i do to make this conversion go smoother.
The oil pan should be fine, the real problem that i can see is if you struggle to get the tensioner conversioon done. It should be a basic swap for you to do, take off thge manifolds and switch them, switch the dizzy and the oil pump and the pulleys and you should be good to go, you have wrote previously that you have the seals and stuff so i dont think you will have anyproblems man. I hope when you sell this auto you can get your money back from it. Good luck man
well now i might have to keep the prelude because so far ive spent $7500. $5200 on the car, $1800 on the motor and tranny plus $500 on new parts. sucks that its auto. bouckarooo thanks for all your help.
ya know, if you are interested, i ahve an m2y4 tranny at home just sitting man, if you ever want to do a manual conversion then let me know and i will give you great price ont he tranny man. Try and sell it still though and keep the reciepts so you can prove it has new motor and trans and what not. List it in as many places you can and just see what kind of offers you get on it.
can i use the crankshaft pulley that came with my jdm engine? do i have to swap any of my mounting brakets for alterator, ps, and a/c? can someone answer my question.
did the white smoke go away after a few miles? Does the white smoke reapear on startup all the time? Does the car smoke at high rpm? If so what is the color? What kind of oil are you using and what kind of gas(i hope its premium at 94 octane or higher)? Oh yeah how thick was the white smoke after you started it up and how long did the engine produce the smoke for?
so the engine swap is done. no smoke and runs like a champ but there is alway one small problem. when its in P and N it makes a weird noise just like the one in this video. YouTube - 5th gen prelude tranny noise Listen close and you'll hear the noise in P and N but when he shifts to D the sound goes away. anyone have an idea of what it could be?
the old trans didnt make that noise but i also know my old trans was bad because sometimes when i would shift to D it would just spin. people say its my torque converter on the new tranny.
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....plus I've never done a swap and I'm really anxious to do so. To throw in there so I don't sound stupid, I do plan on rebuilding the motor during this swap and am having trouble finding the motor. My buddy is telling me about a k20. never heard this being done on a prelude, anyone hear other.
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