Only reason I never liked Fram oil filters is cause they tend to bend/crush when removing them during an oil change. I like Mobil1, K&N or Bosch. Although the better fram filters(Tough guard) don't really have that problem.
yes, fram sucks nutsack, but really. allow people to use whatever they like as then when their sh*t blows up you can always go back and say " bahahahahahha, you f*cking tool; you blew your**** up cuz you dont know sh*t".....and that is always always good times.
mobile one for first place, KN for second, purolator third
This is some good knowledge to people who think fram is best. I had teachers in school showing cut filters and the difference is huge between fram and all others. I've seen 2 fram filters blow up basically. They are shart!!
^hence number one and number two, you cannot have two numebr ones, as one would have to follow the other and therefore would be considered second in order and would then become "number 2" by default ....
...joking man....i had to, sorry....
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That argument has little weight in this discussion. The only thing about the external shell most of us care about is bulging under extreme pressure.
I think you are buying the wrong filter for the wrong reasons. Fram is crap, just....read the rest of this thread.
I never said that fram is good, just from my experience I've had problems with the casing. Mobile 1 and k&n are some of the best. You think you know something cause you can say fram is crap?.
A guy on some CRV forum did some testing and found the Mobil and K&N to be some of the worst filters for the money on a Honda engine. The one that came out on the top is the green Hamp filter that Honda used way back when, and is only available as import now. The next best was the old, blue OEM Honda filter before it was superceded by a new blue filter with the Fram bull**** in it. The Purolator and Fram ToughGuard Extra (not the orange one) fell into third, followed by the new blue filter.
It's a waste of money to buy the Mobil or K&N when they perform just as well as the Honda filter, or worse.
That Honda filter shown in PuYang's post is not made by Fram it's made by Filtech (15400-PLM-A01). The Fram/Honeywell version bears a P/N 15400-PLM-A02, which looks nothing like the A01.
But regardless, personally I would use either Honda filter over any aftermarket counterparts. There is more to a filter than just physical fitment or filter element materials. One important filter characteristic that usually gets overlooked or cannot be visually verified is the bypass valve's pressure setting. I wonder if an aftermarket filter that can fit various makes and models is built to the exact Honda specifications...
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Pretty sure the ones used where I work are the A01, have to check when I get to work today. The only thing decent about the other is that it has more pleats but that wouldn't matter much if the filter medium sucked...
The fram looks like total junk, the silicone valve is glued on way off center...
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A guy on some CRV forum did some testing and found the Mobil and K&N to be some of the worst filters for the money on a Honda engine. The one that came out on the top is the green Hamp filter that Honda used way back when, and is only available as import now. The next best was the old, blue OEM Honda filter before it was superceded by a new blue filter with the Fram bull**** in it. The Purolator and Fram ToughGuard Extra (not the orange one) fell into third, followed by the new blue filter.
It's a waste of money to buy the Mobil or K&N when they perform just as well as the Honda filter, or worse.
wheres the links for this supposed crv forum test, i have searched to see if i can find it as i disbeleive what you say about the mobile one and kn; as all the research i have done has pointed to the opposite of what you speak of.
heres an interesting one form an acura forum, this one clearly shows the mobile1 filter being superior to the Honda OEM on.
Now this is on an RDX however NOT preludes, i just posted it to show shimmee that the mobile 1 is better....in this case, RDX, due to a fibrous filtration material, rather than the paper product in the oem design.
Well of course you don't believe me, I'm not surprised in that. The review on the RDX isn't a conclusive review either, the guy simply takes apart the filter and takes pictures like most reviews out there.
The conclusions state that the Honda filter performs just as good as the Mobil 1. The guy with the RDX fails to give any concise findings on which one filters better, he just makes an assumption based on what he sees. He's also reviewing the Honda/Fram filter, which has the same performance as the orange Fram.
You and he fail to realize that the Mobil is also a paper filter, with the only difference being that the Mobil media is coated to prevent deformation after soaking in oil. Saying the Mobil filter has "fibrous filtration material" means nothing since paper (more specifically lignin that makes up cardboard, which coincidentally is just about as strong as cotton; lignin is filtered out of paper production but kept in cardboard production) is also a type of fibrous material, or "a fibrous matrix" as the guy with the RDX puts it.
In the end the Mobil can be worth the money since you can probably keep it on for 2 or 3 oil changes. Except it has less surface area for filtration meaning more oil has to pass by it to filter the same amount that the Honda filter is capable of doing.
What it comes down to is the Mobil isn't for the idiot that changes his filter every 3000mi as its meant to last MUCH longer, though it wouldn't serve well in stop and go driving; its best use would be in long drives or probably racing due to it's high-flow design. The Honda filter is meant to be swapped out every oil change under normal conditions (although it doesn't have to be) and the cost justifies it.
As for the link to the CRV forum test, I have no idea where I put it. It's not from a CRV forum but just from some forum and the guy happened to drive a CRV. He compared Honda (old and new), orange Fram, Mobil 1, NAPA, and some others. He actually ran them, tested the oil composition, ran the old oil after each filter through cheese cloth or something to check for debris, weighed the oil filters to see how much they collected, other nonsense. Basically the guy was ****ing thorough. If I ever stumble on it again I'll post it since it was one of the best reviews and actually had on-road data.
I'm still waiting for someone to mention Denso filters. This company has worked with Honda for many years and always makes top notch product. Many NSX users say great things about Denso.
Well of course you don't believe me, I'm not surprised in that. The review on the RDX isn't a conclusive review either, the guy simply takes apart the filter and takes pictures like most reviews out there.
The conclusions state that the Honda filter performs just as good as the Mobil 1. The guy with the RDX fails to give any concise findings on which one filters better, he just makes an assumption based on what he sees. He's also reviewing the Honda/Fram filter, which has the same performance as the orange Fram.
You and he fail to realize that the Mobil is also a paper filter, with the only difference being that the Mobil media is coated to prevent deformation after soaking in oil. Saying the Mobil filter has "fibrous filtration material" means nothing since paper (more specifically lignin that makes up cardboard, which coincidentally is just about as strong as cotton; lignin is filtered out of paper production but kept in cardboard production) is also a type of fibrous material, or "a fibrous matrix" as the guy with the RDX puts it.
In the end the Mobil can be worth the money since you can probably keep it on for 2 or 3 oil changes. Except it has less surface area for filtration meaning more oil has to pass by it to filter the same amount that the Honda filter is capable of doing.
What it comes down to is the Mobil isn't for the idiot that changes his filter every 3000mi as its meant to last MUCH longer, though it wouldn't serve well in stop and go driving; its best use would be in long drives or probably racing due to it's high-flow design. The Honda filter is meant to be swapped out every oil change under normal conditions (although it doesn't have to be) and the cost justifies it.
As for the link to the CRV forum test, I have no idea where I put it. It's not from a CRV forum but just from some forum and the guy happened to drive a CRV. He compared Honda (old and new), orange Fram, Mobil 1, NAPA, and some others. He actually ran them, tested the oil composition, ran the old oil after each filter through cheese cloth or something to check for debris, weighed the oil filters to see how much they collected, other nonsense. Basically the guy was ****ing thorough. If I ever stumble on it again I'll post it since it was one of the best reviews and actually had on-road data.
Yes, as i have said before i think there is a certain poitn where one has to look at thier end goal and then go form there, as with higher filtration comes decreased flow, so if one gets right to the technical aspects of it they woudl need to establish at which point they want more flow or higher filtratiopn.
Now on a sidenote, i have a freind who has t type reagal ( same kidna thing as grandnational, but its regal t type), his is turbo and puts out about 600hp, and he uses a reusable metal filter device that is made up of three metal screens that go inside eachother then screw to into a case. pretty cool stuff although he has separate oil cooler and differnt pump setup. I think though in extreme cases of performance that this type of filter may actually be the best. These types of filters are also used in airplaines engines.
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