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Old 02-23-2011, 11:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I have searched throught the forums and it seems maintenance questions are more of a problem specific than preventative.

I am resurecting my 97 prelude, it had a blown gasket and engine mounts were bad. I will be getting it later this week. Even though I've had the car for about 4 years, I did not take good care of it, so I want to change that. What I want to do is do 2 major check ups per yr, one before summer and one before winter. Which is when the extreme temperature might take a toll on the car (I live in Texas)

My question is what you guys recommend and do yourself as maintanance, other than the regular oil change. Or if you could give me a link where I can look? Thanks.
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Use the maintenance schedule in the owner's manual.
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Well, the first peice of maintenance responsibilty is purchasing(whether legitemate at the stealership or non legit through internet discount) a Honda Service Repair Manual, and reading about all the things on your car and when it is important to pay attention to them. I could give you a link, but if you're to lazy to to search for your own link to get the manual then i am too lazy to post one for you.
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Oil change - every 3k or 5k if you are using synthetic, nothing beats a honda filter

Transmission fluid - Every 30k, doing it a little early can be good too, Honda fluid>all especially if its an auto, aftermarket ATF is WAY too thick.

Engine air filter - 20-30k depending on where you live

Brake fluid replacement - 45k or 3 years, research, some don't think there's a reason to but trust me there is, bled some brakes only to flush out the old fluid and there was air in the line caused by it.

Tune up - 100k

Timing belt/balance belt replacement - 105k or 7yrs, whichever comes first, also smart to replace water pump and all oil seals in the area while in there, can save a lot of time/money.

Those are the main general maintenance items, nothing else on the car has a specific time or mileage for service, just give it a good look over every now and then.
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nothing beats a honda filter
Rumor has it that currently Fram makes all the oil filters for Honda.

Fram = cardboard.
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@ bouckarooo

I did not ask for a link for a manual download, I own the original manual's and the .pdf thanks for your lack of help. I asked for a link where I could see what people do to their preludes

I was simply refering to what you guys do to keep in good shape beside that and anything else I need to watch out for. Also the the guide only convers as far as 120K miles, page 3-6 for 1997.

Thanks to everyone else.
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@ bouckarooo

I did not ask for a link for a manual download, I own the original manual's and the .pdf thanks for your lack of help. I asked for a link where I could see what people do to their preludes

I was simply refering to what you guys do to keep in good shape beside that and anything else I need to watch out for. Also the the guide only convers as far as 120K miles, page 3-6 for 1997.

Thanks to everyone else.
While the manual only goes to 120, best thing to do is to start from a 'relative' point. For example if they suggest you do the timing belt at 105k, then if it was done at, say, 90k, make sure it's done again at 195k, etc. Same for all the other services.

Do you have records of what was done before you purchased the car?
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Unfortunately I do not. I bought the car with 95K miles and that was about 4 years ago, it is now at 195k, and so far I have done the problem specific maintenance or just changed worn out parts. This past summer I had a blown gasket and has that fixed, but honestly I have not kept up with the car, which is what I want to start doing now.
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Unfortunately I do not. I bought the car with 95K miles and that was about 4 years ago, it is now at 195k, and so far I have done the problem specific maintenance or just changed worn out parts. This past summer I had a blown gasket and has that fixed, but honestly I have not kept up with the car, which is what I want to start doing now.
After 100k miles, you should do a timing belt/water pump, valve cover gaskets, accessory belts, coolant flush, etc. at the very least.

Also do a valve adjustment, replace air filter (if you haven't already in the last 30k), spark plugs, plug wires, cap & distributor, etc. transmission flush/refill also.

I would recommend doing all of this immediately. The timing belt in particular is very important and your car likely has not had it changed either in well over 100k miles or even at all potentially! If that is the case, you're are VERY MUCH on borrowed time, it is an interference motor and the damage would be catastrophic if the belt breaks.
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Rumor has it that currently Fram makes all the oil filters for Honda.

Fram = cardboard.
Someone on a different forum photographed comparisons between Fram filters, and Fram HONDA filters.

they look comepletely different, and are made of completely different material.

the regular Fram filter didnt have as much... what do i call them, rivets? and yes, looked like crappy cardboard material. the ring at the top was also plastic, vs metal on the honda fram filter.

^those are just off the top of my head of what i saw. maybe someone else can confirm if thats true or not, but i will be buying honda filters regardless.

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^Yes I found from working at the dealer that Fram does make Honda filters BUT they are made to Honda's strict specifications, Fram only put's them together and that's it. A Honda filter is a little over $6 including the crush washer for the drain bolt and will outperform ANY filter out there, they are designed to last for 2 oil changes.

Like I and others said T-belt BUT, DO NOT skip out on replacing ALL of the oil seals in the timing area, it is a waste of money and time to do the timing belt and not do those seals as oil leaking on the belt can RUIN it. Seals include both cam seals, crank seal, front balance shaft seal and rear balance gear o-ring. Water pump too of course.
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Someone on a different forum photographed comparisons between Fram filters, and Fram HONDA filters.
Interesting....

Hadn't seen that before.

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^Yes I found from working at the dealer that Fram does make Honda filters BUT they are made to Honda's strict specifications, Fram only put's them together and that's it. A Honda filter is a little over $6 including the crush washer for the drain bolt and will outperform ANY filter out there, they are designed to last for 2 oil changes.
Meh, I'm still going stick with Purolator. Never had a problem with their filters, and there is no question about what I am getting each time. As you stated, Honda doesn't make their own filters. Just because it's sold at the dealer doesn't make it better.
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^How about cutting open one of the filters you use for ****'s and giggles, you may find yourself paying too much for the high end filter off the shelf.
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^If you're going to use that argument, then you might as well stop paying for Honda.

What is the dimension than really counts when judging a good from bad filter? Surface area of the amount of filtering material(and quality of assembly).

At least from the naked eye, Purolator, Mobil1(keep in mind they are $14), and Baldwin's($6) all have similar/better construction, and appear to have more pleats. But I have not measured surface area of the Honda. Might do that soon.


Use an oil filter for more than one oil change? I wouldn't dare until I sent it to a laboratory(people on here used to always throw around the name Blackstone Labs).

Everyone has their preference(I have mine), and until you've done the same(research), minilo, I'd suggest you not argue with indy.
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In all honeslty guys i have cut open many filters and the best oil filter on the market(for filtration rating) is mobile one, however due to the restircitons created by the filter medium there is a loss of flow rate. KN make one of the highest filtration units without reduce flow amount. These are filters that i have personally used and compared(keep in mind it is my opinion here). In any case i am posting a link for others to see numerous filters beign ripped open and tested.

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^Finally someone on my side! Mobil1 to the death.
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I wasn't trying to argue at all, now with the link provided though I got to see the Mobil1 and Purolator filters disassembled. I may have to try the Mobil1, mainly because of it's synthetic filter element which could help me last longer between oil changes as I do use their oil. The thing that scares me are the reports of Mobile1 filters failing at high pressures and VTEC engines oil pressure is pretty high especially under hard driving.

The main reason I stick with Honda filters is because I work at the dealer, they are like $3 for me which is very good bang for your buck.
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^How about cutting open one of the filters you use for ****'s and giggles, you may find yourself paying too much for the high end filter off the shelf.
No need, it has already been done. I like this comparison site better....not sure why. Oil Filters Revealed - MiniMopar Resources Bouck's linked site is good too.


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KN make one of the highest filtration units without reduce flow amount.
The K&N filter is just the mobil 1 with a bolt welded on it and a much higher price.

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The main reason I stick with Honda filters is because I work at the dealer, they are like $3 for me which is very good bang for your buck.
You should have just said that in the first place instead of proclaiming it as "the best".

The main reason I stick with the Purolator isn't because they are the best available, it's because they are the only good filter that I can find at just about any autoparts store without hassle. I can walk in and get one off the shelf at Autozone, O'reilly, Pepboys, Advance, Napa...where ever, they all stock them and they are only like $5. I know mobil1 and wix are better, but they aren't worth the trouble to me.

Also, I personally have already had this oil filter conversion at least a half dozen times on the forum already....so I'm done here.
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Really? I can't find a Purolator to save my life. Always wanted to tear one apart....

Yeah, I've been around, just don't know enough to reply to some of the threads around nowadays I guess.
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Hell if i cold get honda filters for 3 buck i would use them all the time. i pay11 for kn.
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