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Old 09-12-2011, 09:59 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Can not engadge reverse (5spd) HELP!!!

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1997 Honda Prelude (Base)
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Went to the drag strip with my girl on Friday night to see what the new car would do (sadly it ran VERY poorly due to needing a tune and running the base map on the E-Manage) 15.905@89.86mph.

Car ran fine all night other than being slow. Did two passes, nothing out of the ordinary with the car. When parking after the passes the car shifted into reverse just fine.

Drove home from the track and went to park the car but I could not get it into reverse. I tried rolling the car forward, cycling through all the gears, tried to slip it into gear with revs....nothing seemed to get it in there.

Got it to work this morning and it still will not go into gear.

I have found one similar thread on here saying I should check the cables that go from the shifter assembly to the transmission? I assume there are two cables from the shifter assembly that go to a linkage on the transmission, but I'm not sure what to look for exactly.

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Old 09-12-2011, 12:04 PM   #2 (permalink)
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If it were the cables then other gears would be affected, bent fork could be to blame since reverse has no synchronizer. You're gonna have to pull it apart.
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If it were the cables then other gears would be affected, bent fork could be to blame since reverse has no synchronizer. You're gonna have to pull it apart.

I was thinking this as well but the thing is that everything was working perfect before this.
After each run I did I had to back into the spots where we were parked and the car was doing just fine. No forcing it into reverse, no grinding, just smooth positive engagement.

But after I drove home and went to park it just wouldn't go in.

Is there anything else I should have a look at before I pull the tranny out? I really don't want to have to pull it out.....

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Also, where should I be looking for the cables in the engine bay. It is quite cluttered on the back side of the motor and I'm not to familiar with Honda's.

I had some trouble getting it into 5th gear as well but I can get in, just have the be slow with it.
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Sounds like the Reverse Synchro Pack to me
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^Reverse doesn't have a synchronizer, it's a straight cut gear, that's why it grinds if you shift into it while moving, also why it whines when moving in it.

Seriously, if it were the cables then all gears would be affected, that trans has to come out and be disassembled. Rebuilding a manual trans really isn't hard if you have tools and the factory manual, also having experience in dropping a trans helps too.

5th's fork is tied in with reverse, could possibly be the gear selector in the transmission, you'll never know though until you open it up.
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i had this problem when my dual friction clutch went out... couldnt get it into reverse until it just crapped out and couldnt go in any gear without starting it in 1st, got a new 6 puck clutch and flywheel put in it
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^Reverse doesn't have a synchronizer, it's a straight cut gear, that's why it grinds if you shift into it while moving, also why it whines when moving in it.
Oh...sorry..I was going off the FAQ posted here Tips - Manual Transmission Problems & Explanation

it says...
"What's the fix? If reverse quits and everything else is OK but grinding in 5th (or you *just* have grinding in 5th), you can just replace the reverse synchro pack. This is pretty easy as it doesn't require mainshaft/countershaft removal, just removal of the reverse fork and you can "work" it off (moving the 5th gear shift fork out of the way). "

Figured since the FAQ said there was a reverse synchro pack...then it it was most prob true. Cant get into Reverse or 5th...just kinda lead me to think it was that.
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The only reverse component you can remove without removing the main and counter shafts is the idler gear which is what engages reverse.
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So, not to hijack this thread but...what needs to be replaced for my 5th gear grind issue then?


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^Depends on what's causing it, bent forks are known to be a problem but it could just be the synchro. A bent fork will ruin the synchro causing both needing replacement, the service manual covers how to check everything.

Don't be fooled by all these advertised aftermarket synchro rings too thinking that's all you need, the brass ring, that's only 1 part of the set. If any part of the synchro fails the entire sleeve set must be replaced. A OEM one will come carbon lined just like these advertised aftermarket ones too btw.
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Well it sounds like I'm screwed on this one.....not sure how it happened tho...worked fine all night, no trouble getting into gear all night long then I go home to park the car and it refuses to go into gear...

If this is the case then I will just get a replacement tranny in there. Any suggestions for a tranny for the car. Something with LSD would be cool.
Euro R transmissions came with factory LSD didn't they?
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^T2W4 is easily the best drop in trans for the Prelude, bouckarooo can back me up on this since he has one as well. It comes with a helical LSD, 1-4 gears are identical to a B16 trans (super short) while still having the same 5th ratio as a Prelude transmission. The only thing is that they are kinda hard to come by since most import dealers usually only sell it with the red top H22a Euro R as a full swap. I got mine from someone who blew the motor up not long after swapping.

Only thing people say which I can't confirm since I don't own a boosted car is that the short gears can be too aggressive with the power that a turbo car puts out. It really is a huge difference with this transmission though.
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One last ditch effort to save me some money here on the tranny....

If I am very low on fluid in the tranny will it exhibit the same issues that I am having here?

My issue is I do not understand how it can shift into reverse so smooth all night long, with no problems and then just stop working all of a sudden. Never forced into any gear in this car and never been a problem before.

I have a local luder with a m2f4 with Quaife LSD, factory final drive and gearspeed carbon syncros....he's asking $1500....I want this tranny but budget is tight right now otherwise I would jump at this.

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