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Cold air intake. 17 65.38%
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Old 11-02-2002, 04:07 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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CAI or Short Ram?? Help!

Earlier this year I purchased what I was told was an "AEM OEM" CAI. 3", polished, very nice. Brand new of course. Also got hooked up with a bypass valve.

Then installed it with a couple friends, just used it as ram air at first. Damn! I was enjoying this gain I felt!

Later on in late spring, we went and removed the resonator, opened the hole a bit more, and attatched the rest of the intake piping w/ the bypass valve.

After I sped off and got on the freeway, it just didn't feel the same. Almost like the STOCK intake or something!!! Well not exactly, but it wasn't as good and aggressive as the ram air.

Then I posted on the AEM forums and the tech was telling me how the CAI adds 10-14whp, which I'm sure I wasn't feeling with my CAI, compared to having it ram.

My bottom line is, for our cars, the 5th gen Ludes, is it better to run a short ram-air intake instead of the CAI??? I know w/the bypass you lose 1-2hp, but still, with the CAI it just seems that it's not getting enough air down there between the fender and splashguard etc. Or maybe it's all in my head and I just became desensitized to the gains when I had it short ram, and lost 1-2hp when the CAI was installed and 1-2hp is what is bugging me. The CAI is the only engine mod I have had. Can anyone help? Has anyone else experienced this? Thanks in advance!

- P.S. Sorry if I have re-sparked an old topic, I'm new to Po.com
- P.S.S I read a thread on here about resetting the ECU, I think I need to do that as well.
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yea,u need to reset the ecu,the cai will give u more hp up top,a short ram will give u more lowend torque,just reset the ecu and it will feel better
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yea,u need to reset the ecu,the cai will give u more hp up top,a short ram will give u more lowend torque,just reset the ecu and it will feel better
What he said. Don't expect 10-14hp either because its not going to happen. You'll get more like 4-6hp from the AEM intake.
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Thanks guys I appreciate it!
I'm thinking of putting the short ram air back on though, it sounds much more agressive and I'd prefer more low end torque.
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How do you reset the ECU?
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Thanks guys I appreciate it!
I'm thinking of putting the short ram air back on though, it sounds much more agressive and I'd prefer more low end torque.
pull the 7.5 radio/clock Fuse under the hood...
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Old 11-02-2002, 01:10 PM   #7 (permalink)
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personally i don't think an intake is worth it unless you're doing FI or some crazy NA upgrades...for stock ludes with just the intake you're really only going to notice a sound change...any of you that say that you can feel a 1-2 hp change...well...good for you...you're hallucinating :P
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Hehehe I plan to do plenty more Cruxader, my friend just has really good hook ups at a wholesale distributor and talked me into getting it.
But good sound on a car is a must. And the intake delivers!
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first reset your ECU, see if you feel a difference....then recheck everything and make sure everything was installed correctly. you shold be able to feel a difference w/ the AEM CAI...like it's been said in many threads, SRI will increase lower end power an do nothin much for upper end.....whereas the CAI will lose low end an increase upper end
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just put the short ram and step on the gas at stop lights lols
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the short ram gives more low end power as where with a CAI you lose low end and get high end power...and resetting the ecu if you haven't done it in a while you will notice the difference.
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just put the short ram and step on the gas at stop lights lols
get the CAI an step on it...since you gain more upper end, not lower end :: just get the AEM CAI on
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get the CAI an step on it...since you gain more upper end, not lower end :: just get the AEM CAI on
i don't think so, lights by lights you need sri and that's low end torque.
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nah man, I understand what you meant....at first, I wasn't sure if you were referring to steppin on the gas cuz you got more low end, or cuz you would NEED more low end....I realized it after I posted it ::
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Thanks guys I appreciate it!
I'm thinking of putting the short ram air back on though, it sounds much more agressive and I'd prefer more low end torque.
Why try building up the low end, when Honda's are made so that they preform better in the high end??? If you want low end torque then get an american v8. Honda's excel in the upper end..

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Why try building up the low end, when Honda's are made so that they preform better in the high end??? If you want low end torque then get an american v8. Honda's excel in the upper end..

just my .02
very good point......also pulleys help throughout the bandwidth
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Yea, honda VTEC motors are high reving beast for the most part. Look at the power increase one VTEC is engaged, it soars. I/h/e and stage two cams will have you making power all the way up to fuel cut-off. About the intakes, yes, its the sound more than anything else. But it also depends on the temperature outside. I know my CAI seems to make bigger gains now that its cold out. When it was hot, I think it hurt daily driving. But now that its sucking 40 degree air up the intake, it seems to pull harder from 3500rpms and up. Gotta reset the ecu though, makes a differance.
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nah man, I understand what you meant....at first, I wasn't sure if you were referring to steppin on the gas cuz you got more low end, or cuz you would NEED more low end....I realized it after I posted it ::
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I don't care about horsepower gains from intakes (and I don't believe the claims).

What I want to know is: Will a short ram intake will improve throttle response, especially on the low end?
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