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Old 11-08-2001, 03:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Anyone have Eibach springs with stock shocks/struts on 5th Gen.

Just wondering if the handeling is that bad... NTOPG says the ride might be bouncy with the stock struts, but I really don't want to fork out the money right now.

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For the best results, any aftermarket springs should be installed with a set of performance aftermarket dampers (shock absorbers). The ride won't be too bad at first, but over time, as the dampers (shock absorbers) wear, the ride will get a lot worse. Why cheat yourself of all that performance? Besides, the Prelude handles MUCH better with stiffer dampers (shock absorbers).

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Old 11-08-2001, 03:36 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I am assuming you mean shocks right? Dampers are rubber stoppers, but I am not certain.

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Old 11-08-2001, 03:44 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Dampers are devices that damp any kind of movement. Dampers or "shock absorbers" as they are usually known as, damp (or slow) the oscillatory movement of the car when the springs are compressed, thus they are called (more correctly) dampers. A rubber stopper is a rubber stopper.
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Old 11-08-2001, 03:49 PM   #5 (permalink)
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So what effect do these dampers have on a sinusoidal event activated by an impulse force, besides linear regression?
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Linear regression? WTF are you talking about? The only linear regression I know of (being a mathematician) is taking a series of data points, and by using the method of least squares you find a line that is the "best fit" for those data points. That's linear regression.

If you're talking about damping, it depends on the damping medium. Depending on the medium, you have three cases, overdamped, critically damped, or underdamped. Hopefully, your car is overdamped, or you have problems.

If you want to know how to describe this type of motion, with or without outside forces, just look in any undergraduate differential equations book. It will be in there (if the book is worth a damn).
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Old 11-08-2001, 04:19 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Least squares method will put a line of best fit for any order equation... linear regression, linear refering to the slope of the line(height of the car versus time) y = mx + b, m is the slope, b being the y intercept, Regression is referring the the slope being negative thus approaching zero as time progresses. So in other words when someone asks a simple question, just be there for them and give them your opinion... theres no need to complicate matters. How many companies online or off, sell toxico illumina adjustable dampers? Does DC Sports make a front and rear damper tower braces?

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Old 11-08-2001, 04:46 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I believe I am starting to get a bit irritated at this point. It seems obvious to me that you haven't taken many math classes, so I suggest you talk about subjects in which you have a better understanding.

Least squares method will put a line of best fit for any order equation...

What the hell are you saying? Line of best fit for any order equation?? That statement makes no sense.

linear regression, linear refering to the slope of the line(height of the car versus time) y = mx + b, m is the slope, b being the y intercept...

Linear does not refer the the slope of a the line. Linear refers to the fact that the function you are choosing to fit to the data is LINEAR (i.e. the graph of a LINEAR function is a LINE).

Regression is referring the the slope being negative thus approaching zero as time progresses

Regression does not refer to negative slope (where the hell are you getting this from?).

Linear Regression is a computational method of fitting data to a LINE. Hence the name LINEAR REGRESSION. If you want to fit the data to a quadratic equation (a polynomial of degree two), then you do QUADRATIC REGRESSION. If you want to fit the data to a cubic equation (a polynomial of degree three), then you do CUBIC REGRESSION.

If you were just spouting off random thoughts to look like you don't know what the hell you're talking about, you did a damn oustanding job. However, some of us, do prefer that people stick to topics in which they have a working understanding (unless they are asking questions).

So in other words when someone asks a simple question, just be there for them and give them your opinion... theres no need to complicate matters.

How did I complicate things for you? Re-read my post. I think it was quite direct, and not complicated at all. Or do you need everything spelled out for you? See that big ass SEARCH function at the top of your page? How about searching? Or, Yahoo? Wow, how about searching yahoo for online companies that sell TOKICO dampers???

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Old 11-08-2001, 05:30 PM   #9 (permalink)
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William, William... stick to your knowledge of Preludes, your much more useful with it.

any order equation... y = ax^n + bx^n-1 +cx^n-2.... n is the represents the order of equation, first, second, and so forth.
Least squares method can fit a line to any of those equations.

Regression does not refer to negative slope (where the hell are you getting this from?).

There is no need to get angry, and start babbling on. You obviously are proud of your knowledge of basic math. My mechanical engineering degree takes your math skills and applys them to situations that would blow your mind... but I am sure with your I.Q. that you would be able to work through and comprehend most situations in due time.

Since your are the moderator, why don't lock this thread like you should of done as soon as we got off the subject of stock struts on a prelude with Eibach Sport Springs.

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Old 11-08-2001, 06:11 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Do you not see the ambiguity in your orignial statement? Are you really that clueless? You're not a very good engineer are you?

Okay, explain something for my feeble mind:

Here's a quote from you;

any order equation... y = ax^n + bx^n-1 +cx^n-2.... n is the represents the order of equation, first, second, and so forth.
Least squares method can fit a line to any of those equations.


So, how can I fit a line to a third order equation? Or are you saying that you can approximate a third order equation with a line?

As for my knowledge of basic math, it's far beyond your understanding, which you have clearly shown.

I doubt much of the stuff you do, in class, or at your job, "would blow my mind."

As for closing this thread, not yet. I am having fun messing with you.
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Old 11-08-2001, 07:21 PM   #11 (permalink)
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As am I, as am I.

Ambiguity? Looks like they are selling English degrees the same place you bought your math degree.

Sorry feeble minds can't quite grasp the concept of a line of best fit.

From Webster's:

line1 (ln)
n.
1. Mathematics. A geometric figure formed by a point moving along a fixed direction and the reverse direction.
2.
a. A thin continuous mark, as that made by a pen, pencil, or brush applied to a surface.
b. A mark used to define a shape or represent a contour.

I didn't say anything about the line being straight.

"As for my knowledge of basic math, it's far beyond your understanding, which you have clearly shown. "

No, what I have clearly shown is you have got some homework to do.

I was quite impressed with your knowledge J-spec engines, but as far as general knowledge... I could have a more intelligent conversation talking with my shoe.

By the way, how many multi-million dollar projects have you been trusted with?



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Old 11-08-2001, 07:49 PM   #12 (permalink)
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WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFF linear regression LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

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Old 11-08-2001, 07:50 PM   #13 (permalink)
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umm, yeah...what he said!
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linear regression

ohhhhhhh man i cant stop laughing here.
sorry. it was just .... toooooooooooooo funnyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy


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You idiot, if you're referring to mathematics, a line is straight (read your definition). If not, it's called a curve. I suppose you refer to the graph of any polynomial as a line...

By the way, explain to me the concept of best line fit....

Multi-million dollar projects? None, as of yet (and probably never will). Very few of our clients do multimillion dollar projects, there is no need for a project of that size in my field of work. Although I work with clients with multimillion (and multibillion) dollar plans. What does that have to do with anything? Our custodians are trusted with the care and maintenance of the multimillion dollar high rise I work in. So what?

As for conversing with your shoe, you are better off doing that, as your technical language is so vague that I doubt technically minded individuals could understand what you are saying.

What homework do I have so that I can get right on it?

Damn, a guy gets an engineering degree and he's hot ****.....
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I re-read your post, and it still doesn't make any sense:

any order equation... y = ax^n + bx^n-1 +cx^n-2.... n is the represents the order of equation, first, second, and so forth.
Least squares method can fit a line to any of those equations.


It would make sense if you said; least squares method can fit any of those (polynomial) equations to a set of data points. Of course the degree of the polynomial depends on the number of data points.

My wife even read it (she also has a BS and MS in Math) and she thinks it makes no sense. We think we know what you're trying to say, but what you are saying doesn't make sense. Oh, by the way, she is an engineer (sort of ), and she is working on a multibillion dollar project; the JSF.

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I had the prokit springs w/ stock shocks/dampers and it was Ok at first but as time progressed it got worse --- so I got the tokico blues. Thride is good but still kinda bouncy when compared to stock. Honestly I would just wait till you have the money to buy the dampers from the get go. You save on installation but getting it done all at once. As far as prices you might as well as get koni yellows if you are thinking in buying the tokico adjs. However, I didnt think I would ever adj the shocks after I got them so I saved some money and got the non-adj. However if you plan on auto Xing or drag racing you might want to get the adj.
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what do u guys do exactly?u guys need to speak english..lol..i hate math..

we are here to talk about cars not how good u are at math........
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hahah someone takes their shocks seriously
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