After much contimplation... I'm goin N/A instead of my Turbo dream... - Honda Prelude Forum

Anton BB6 · 08-31-2002, 01:34 AM

Well after much thought and dedication I had in to building a superior turbo setup I was left with a few questions for my self...

Reliability and Cost.

I've come to the conclusion that my H22 isn't quite meant to be induced with forced induction being that it is becoming quite common for Preludes to have a large chance of ****ing up while undergoing the emence amount of pressure. Yes it is very likely that it would hold up with a good build up which I planned on doing, BUT with the total amount of modifications for a fully built turbo prelude would cost an outstanding amount of money. I would spend it and take a chance with investing that great deal of money if I had the steady amount of cash it would take to use for such a build up. There are still other maintence issues and daily driveability issues blah blah blah...

Thus I've come to the point were I have now crossed the line between forced induction and naturally aspirated power.

Anyone have any input? I know most of you have had the same questions run through your mind, less in depth or even more I don't know.

Any thoughts?

Also why isn't there a N/A forum?! I'd be down!

Sorry for the long winded post that is pretty random and irrealivant...

redlude2k1 · 08-31-2002, 01:55 AM

Safe Turbo/Sc Route = lots of $$$ and research...
N/A = could be expensive, not too much power, but in the long run its SAFER than FI...

we should defintely have a N/A forum

NtPReLuDe · 08-31-2002, 04:59 AM

isn't this a n/a forum? I mean aren't all the n/a questions asked here anyways?

NtPReLuDe · 08-31-2002, 05:00 AM

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Originally posted by menace
Well after much thought and dedication I had in to building a superior turbo setup I was left with a few questions for my self...

Reliability and Cost.

I've come to the conclusion that my H22 isn't quite meant to be induced with forced induction being that it is becoming quite common for Preludes to have a large chance of ****ing up while undergoing the emence amount of pressure. Yes it is very likely that it would hold up with a good build up which I planned on doing, BUT with the total amount of modifications for a fully built turbo prelude would cost an outstanding amount of money. I would spend it and take a chance with investing that great deal of money if I had the steady amount of cash it would take to use for such a build up. There are still other maintence issues and daily driveability issues blah blah blah...

Thus I've come to the point were I have now crossed the line between forced induction and naturally aspirated power.

Anyone have any input? I know most of you have had the same questions run through your mind, less in depth or even more I don't know.

Any thoughts?

Also why isn't there a N/A forum?! I'd be down!

Sorry for the long winded post that is pretty random and irrealivant...

Awww but don't you want to join us on the dark side?

PreludeNYC · 08-31-2002, 05:04 AM

...I have a thing of not turboing a car not meant for turbo. I would rather go N/A and not worry about small things going wrong. plus besides being safer, its more reliable. I had the same plans as you last year, but its smarter to keep it N/A if you want to turbo a car, buy a car meant for turbo, and you wont havta worry that much about reliabilty, my 2 cents

Jose

BoosterSH · 08-31-2002, 08:55 AM

I was thinking of going Turbo my self, now ive decided to go all engine. Just put some High lift cams, do some spring/retainer upgrades few bolt ons and youll be in the mid to low 14s....not Turbo killing power but hey, all the hondas at the Track over here are running 16.5+! Silly Civics.......

vir2L · 08-31-2002, 09:00 AM

NA can get to be expensive too. There's a laundry list of things you could do to your engine (port-polish, forged pistons, cam, etc), but it will cost you eventually the same as an FI setup would, or even more.

But do whatever floats your boat. Dont listen to me. I was gonna go NA too, but i'm too impatient, and ill-funded.

influx · 08-31-2002, 09:00 AM

n/a forum = general discussion

axion68 · 08-31-2002, 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by influx
n/a forum = general discussion

thats what I was thinking, that and 5th gen or whatever else is appropriate

freefaller · 08-31-2002, 04:41 PM

see I thought the same thing as you a couple months back--but now I've got a JRSC and am rounding up $$ and parts for Hondata and 550cc injectors-- as long as you do F/I right its safe- just remember you can still kill yourself with a safety pin if you really tried...nothing in this world is completely idiot proof.

ZRoEXzisTeNcE · 08-31-2002, 05:07 PM

i think the prelude is too fat to not go FI. i guess it depends on how fast u wanna be and wut ur willing to put up with. i don't think i would be even remotely satisfied with 14's or even 13's.

ALTHOUGH i do like takin the twisties a lot more then drag racing, i still want like 10-12sec car in case i need to show someone up on the straights.....

azninside · 08-31-2002, 07:26 PM

yeah, but you can show up a lot of people on the street/straights w/o havin to run 10-12's

azninside · 08-31-2002, 07:27 PM

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Originally posted by influx
n/a forum = general discussion

I always thought the same thing....why have a N/A forum when we got GD, 5th an 4th gen forums?!

97blacklude · 08-31-2002, 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by ZRoEXzisTeNcE
i think the prelude is too fat to not go FI. i guess it depends on how fast u wanna be and wut ur willing to put up with. i don't think i would be even remotely satisfied with 14's or even 13's.

ALTHOUGH i do like takin the twisties a lot more then drag racing, i still want like 10-12sec car in case i need to show someone up on the straights.....

u bought the wrong car is u want a 10-12

vir2L · 08-31-2002, 08:43 PM

no he could pull of 10-12's or 12's if he fully built his motor, ran a turbo at around 15 psi, used a small shot of nitorus, proper fuel and engine management, and a clutch along with a few miscileanous things.

97blacklude · 08-31-2002, 08:52 PM

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Originally posted by vir2L
no he could pull of 10-12's or 12's if he fully built his motor, ran a turbo at around 15 psi, used a small shot of nitorus, proper fuel and engine management, and a clutch along with a few miscileanous things.

not as a dailer driver though

fourthgeneration · 08-31-2002, 09:05 PM

Nitrous. safest form of power adder for the h series I believe.

LudeSpeed2000 · 09-01-2002, 02:49 AM

Ok I can speak of experience about the turbo stuff

Here is a list of mods that I have under the hood on my 2000 Lude:

H22A1 closed deck block resleeved and bored .20 over blueprinted and balanced
JE 10.5:1 pistons
Crower Rods
JG Pro Series head
Ferrea Valves
Springs, Retainers
SpeedPro Engine Management
FMax base kit
60-1 Turbo
Tial Wastegate
Spearco FMIC
HKS SSBOV
720cc Injectors
Aeromotive FPR
Aeromotive 1000HP fuel pump
STR Fuel Rail
MSD Blaster SS Coil
MSD 6SL

Ok I think that's about it. This setup cost me about 10G's including all labor to put everything in. That was really a good hookup as the person that is working on the car is a good friend of mine.

The car is expected to make 500WHP on 118 octane. The only problem I have is that I need bigger injectors as these are pretty much maxed out at the current projected power output.

Downsides are:
daily driveability is not bad, but I would never do that
no traction
gas mileage non existent

Upsides are:
Power and it still retains it's A/C!!!
Originality +++

I am still not done though, I am already looking into getting a T66. However I will have to have a custom manifold built. I am still spending money too, my APR head studs are coming, 3" DP is being made, custom radiator is being built.

All in all I have to say that it is a very stressful situation. I have blown my H22A4 motor twice, turns out the machine shop made mistakes; a sleeve twisted and sank, and then they decked it incorrectly.
But, when I drive it and tip into the throttle I get a big grin on my face. It makes all my troubles disappear.

If I had the chance to go back again I think I would seriously do it again. Even through all the hassles and headaches it was worth it

bb6flier · 09-01-2002, 07:15 AM

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Originally posted by influx
n/a forum = general discussion

General discussion = peanut gallery of opinions and insults I don't care to listen to, in respects to N/A. Every time there is an N/A thread somebody posts "just get naws" or how "you can get more power if you..." You don't see me going to the FI or Nitrous forums and telling people their engine is going to run like crap or it's going to explode.
I've posed the question of an N/A forum before for just the same reasons, to actually discuss N/A instead of defending my choice of mods. I don't expect my car to make more power than FI or Nitrous. I mod my car because I enjoy driving it.

soccer3303 · 09-01-2002, 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by bb6flier

I don't expect my car to make more power than FI or Nitrous. I mod my car because I enjoy driving it.

*clap clap* spoken like a true poet