Thanks a lot man. That helped a lot. It's much cheaper then what dealer was going to charge me. But, I have one more question. Which is better? Crower or Skunk2....
are you getting cams, springs, and retainers? if so, stay with they same brand for all.
i bent a bunch of valves on my 97 sh, but i just went back to stock. i ordered them from majestic honda...they were $14.61 for the intake, and $22.06 for the exhaust...not a bad deal if you ask me.
if you sere just replacing the valves...i'd go either stock, or if you want to dish out the extra dough, the skunks.
mostly used when you port the head...don't really know why you would without a ported head. But ya...the bigger the valve, the more air can go throught it.
and we all know what more air means(more or less)!!
I thought about doing just the valves, then I though...since I have my engine opened up, why not change all the things that I wanted to change....like pistons, cams, valves, springs and retainers.
So I was thinking about getting Aries Pistons 10:0:1 or little higher, crowler stage 2 cams, and i guess i have to go with crowler valves, retainers and springs..... total is going to be around $1400 for parts, and mechanic said he'll do all that for $800.
I suggest calling portflow and get some better options. With proper head and stock valve modifying, they can flow awesome at lower lifts, have a completely ported head and pay about the same, $800-1500 for a racing shop to do top-notch work.... With the right work, you may not even need to upgrade pistons (head shaving to @11:1).....
if you opt to not port the head...then do it yourself!
that's what i'm doing. i'm 18 and have little experiance with working on hondas. this has been a HUGE learning experiance for me. i wouldn't trade it fr anything...even $800 to have someone else do it.
the H22a is a freking work of art compared to other engines i have worked on(mostly my friends mustangs(both SOHC and 302) and camaros(a '69 z28 with a 302(GREAT CAR) and a '98 SS).).
granted it has taken longer to do it(mostly waiting for parts), but like i said before, i would trade it for anything.
however, if you do get a port job done, then just get them to assemble it for you.
also, i would shave the head too much...the piston to valve clearence is already really freaking close...i'd be afraid the valve would tap.
Also, if you plan on keeping this car, and possibly building the horsepower, you might want to look into new rods. the rods on the h22 are one of it's main weak points.
Where you are right now is where i hit the stopping point. It started as ~$500 to replace all the valves(that includes all the gaskets you will need!)...then maybe cams! another ~$750...but then i'll need springs and retainers. DOH! another ~$400...so we are at..uhh...~$1650. Well, it's kinda a pain the ass to get the head off, so maybe i'll have portflow do it and just port it for me...soooo another $800-$1000. DAMN, ~$2600!! well, i might as well get new pistons while i'm down there! crap, another ~$500 for good piston, and ~$100 for nice rings...darn $3200. If i am building it up, better do the rods! crap...another $500-$600....i'm about to hit 4 GRAND! and i haven't even factored in some of the labor!
i'm a poor student...can't afford that...i guess if i wanna go fast, i'll have to buy something easier to mod! and that's exactly what i am doing. as soon as my car is back and running, i'm trading it in for a new altima for my mom...then i am gonna buy a '93 cobra...in no other color but WHITE TRASH TEAL! YEAH!
That was a good info. I'm not a rich person either. I'll be spending $15000 later this year, so I need all the money I can save. There were not a lot of people who has experience with crower stuffs, so I decided to be a test rat. Also, I needed the parts ASAP, and nobody had anything in stock for H22 motors. So, I ordered directly from Crower. It probably costed me about $100 more, but I'll have all the parts by Monday. Here are the stuffs that I bought:
-Stage two cam shaft with stock idle lube.
-Titanium retainers
-Valves (stock size)
-Dual springs
Now I need to find a place where I can pistons and rings. Also all the necessary gaskets. Mr.Gasket doesn't sell anything for H22 engine. So, I will probably go with stock gaskets.
Do you guys know where I can get after market gaskets?
And for the pistons? Seriously, which one do you guys prefer? Arias or JE/SRP?
with Arias, i can get total seal rings, but I doubt that's going to improve anything by much.
More inputs are welcome.....i'm learing a lot from PO.com....
for the rings and gaskets, i would just go with honda OEM parts...they are engineered for our cars and u can get them at www.hondaautomotiveparts.com ...on h-t.com, some people have problems with total seal rings...and for pistons, i would get JE or endyn maybe from www.raceeng.com or www.theoldone.com ...saw raceeng's ad in turbo and they say they stock the pistons...with 10.0:1 pistons and alot of NOS, u really need to have the car tuned...also with the forged pistons, some people say u might need to get the block resleeved or bored out because of the material lining the stock sleeves...just do a search and u can read this
As for the pistons, save yourself the trouble and just get the type s in a standard bore. The h22's have a frm liner and aftermarket forged pistons & rings don't take too well to the cylinder wall if bored. If you insist on going higher compression you will want to re sleeve the deck with darton kit 87mm. Check http://www.raceeng.com/MainCat.asp?cat=IMP for info on parts.
don't go with aftermarket pistons unless you use the stock rings. All the other rings are to hard for the cyliner walls and will just tear them apart. If your gonna go with pistons you have to get sleeves as well.
ya...i agree with most of the above statements. i'd go with type-s pistons.
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and for pistons, i would get JE or endyn maybe
the problem with endyn is that they use what they call a "true" 22mm pin...therefore, you have to get new rods.
i'm glad you got the cams and everything...i hope they turn out as good as i ahve heard they are. a lot of shops don't liek them b/c thier first batch was too dense and wouldn't let the oil soak in, so they'd bust. but the new ones are a ton better.
i wish i could afford all that stuff right now...i love working on cars. i wish i could just take a car, go break it, and rebuild it for a living. that'd be the life.
So after market pistons are not good unless I get new sleeves???Ok..... Another question..... as you guys already know, I broke my valve due to using NOS. If I get Type-S pistons, which have higher compression, is it OK to use with NOS? And what is a good price for Type-S pistons?
I guess I can order the rings when I order all of the necessary gaskets.
And later I'll post up NOS installation, and all the parts that ordered with pictures......
I'll know how it is my next saturday, hopefully.....
Yes the higher compression you have the better it is for NOS. I was gonna get a set of type s pistons awhile back and they were somewhere around 200-220.
Originally posted by 97grnlude Yes the higher compression you have the better it is for NOS. I was gonna get a set of type s pistons awhile back and they were somewhere around 200-220.
Where did you find new type-S pistons for $220? The prices that I found were around $380 w/ rings. I'm not sure if they use stock rings though..... If I can find a place that sells type-S pistons for $220 that would be awesome.
And is $220 new or used? I heard some places sell used ones for lower prices.
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