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Old 01-09-2012, 01:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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99 base with h22a swap and lots of mods..wheel hopping

i have a 99 base model lude and i just swapped a 35k miles h22a into it. it's a blast to drive, especially with a helical limited slip, but it's having bad wheel hop issues.
any recommendations on how to fix it? i was thinking a bushing kit but i'm not sure who i should go with.

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Old 01-09-2012, 02:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
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What are the Tires, Struts/Springs?

Cool vid!
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Old 01-09-2012, 03:00 PM   #3 (permalink)
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What are the Tires, Struts/Springs?

Cool vid!
tein s-tech springs. maybe 10k miles on them.

kyb agx 4-way shocks, same mileage as the springs but the front right is only 1k old. the shocks are all still in good condition.

205/50/16 i think, but i can't remember what brand or anything else.. they grip very well and have at least half tread left. they're not more than 10k miles old either.

i've heard adjustable ball joints and a bushing kit would be my best bet, but if you know something i dont, feel free to help me out!
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Stiffer motor mounts are supposed to stop wheel hop, depending on your price range you could get inserts or complete motor mounts.
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Stiffer motor mounts are supposed to stop wheel hop, depending on your price range you could get inserts or complete motor mounts.
sorry i should've mentioned, i have 4 innovate 75a motor mounts already installed and they're all still good.
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Energy Suspension Bushing kit?

You're in for one stiff ride..
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It sounds like you need some suspension work. I would start with top strut tower bars then some anti sway bars, then perhaps a traction bar( like the ESP that replaces the radisu rods with beefer ones),Then form there i would look into replacing the bushings. I fyou can get the chassis brace bars they might also help. One thing that i have done on my prelude to help maintain traction is i have the rear suspension setup a far stiffer than the front so that any of the weight transfer to the rear upon launch will "rebound" from the rear and head back to the front. I also have the after market mounts but mine are 65a Innovative. Also, you should look into getting really good tyres; i use the falken rt 615k and they stick tot he ground so well; im sure htis also will help reduce the wheel hop.
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It sounds like you need some suspension work. I would start with top strut tower bars then some anti sway bars, then perhaps a traction bar( like the ESP that replaces the radisu rods with beefer ones),Then form there i would look into replacing the bushings. I fyou can get the chassis brace bars they might also help. One thing that i have done on my prelude to help maintain traction is i have the rear suspension setup a far stiffer than the front so that any of the weight transfer to the rear upon launch will "rebound" from the rear and head back to the front. I also have the after market mounts but mine are 65a Innovative. Also, you should look into getting really good tyres; i use the falken rt 615k and they stick tot he ground so well; im sure htis also will help reduce the wheel hop.
thanks man. i'll look into that stuff.
i currently have a strut tower bar in the front and a progress rear sway bar in the back. it makes me a bit concerned with high speed cornering when the back is as stiff as it is, so i'm not sure it'd be good to mess with that anymore. bushings, possibly traction bar or chassis brace bars, and tires -- i'll see what i can get done here in the next few weeks. i appreciate the help and i'll post a vid after i get any work done to show before/after results.
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so uh... i apparently backed out one of the bolts on the rear motor mount, but as i said, i would post a vid after i did the work. took me a month and a half but here it is.

tightened that up and installed the front polyurethane bushings (except for the upper control arm bushings...stupid of me, but the shop wouldn't accept my request twice even, said they would wear out quick without the metal sleeve), new upper control arms, adjustable upper ball joints, and got the front end aligned.

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Not really fair to drive it in the wet like that.. car is struggling for traction.
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Not really fair to drive it in the wet like that.. car is struggling for traction.
it wasn't a test of speed or anything of that sort, i just wanted to see how the suspension would handle hopping. i'm going turbo in a few months and it'll see a lot more slippage, so i think it's pretty fair to see in those conditions :P
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At this point I would have to wonder about that limited slip, not much else to try except different tires.
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At this point I would have to wonder about that limited slip, not much else to try except different tires.
what could be wrong with it? it's a syncrotech helical limited slip diff and it feels like it's doing it's job all the time -- no axle play either when you get on or off the throttle
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what could be wrong with it? it's a syncrotech helical limited slip diff and it feels like it's doing it's job all the time -- no axle play either when you get on or off the throttle
The LSD trans should have been the solution to wheel hop not the cause of wheel hop. Most FWD vehicles have issues with wheel hop when there modified to a certain point but you've done what you should have done with suspension/mounts, atleast it sounds that way. I would have suggested poly mounts/bushings from the gate but you've stated that you've done that already. What kind of axles did you get to go with LSD trans? Maybe your shocks/struts are blown or just can't handle the set up you have with the S-Tein springs. Are these KYB shock good or proven to work good with a similar set up to yours? It sounds like you covered everything but I'd be looking in the strut/shock area myself. Good wrenching bro!!
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thanks man, i've been starting to wonder that myself. i went for a spin yesterday on dry pavement and it had horrendous wheel hop. useless to even come off the clutch past 3k.
i'm looking into ksports now to replace the current s-tech springs and agx shocks.

also, this is definitely worth reading :P
Autocross to Win (DGs Autocross Secrets) - Shocks
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thanks man, i've been starting to wonder that myself. i went for a spin yesterday on dry pavement and it had horrendous wheel hop. useless to even come off the clutch past 3k.
i'm looking into ksports now to replace the current s-tech springs and agx shocks.

also, this is definitely worth reading :P
Autocross to Win (DGs Autocross Secrets) - Shocks
That link is kinda what I was getting at, the strut/shock isn't doing it's job. Why? I don't know, maybe it's blown because it's not made to go with your springs. I always go with full coil over system, unless you get a set of Koni adjustables to with a lowered spring set. You could probably keep the springs if you want.
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