I have an '03 GT (auto) that is basically stock, it only has an intake, cat-back, performance tune, and 4.10 gears. There is a guy in the area that wants to race me with his Prelude SH. He won't tell me what his mods are or pop the hood for me (don't know why).
All I know is that they are 220hp stock, and it is a 5 speed. I saw it the other day, and the only thing I could see done to it was exhaust and 17"/18" wheels. It wasn't really loud, no intercooler in the front, no blow off on the shifts, and couldn't see a header or anything when I bent down to look under it. How quick are the SH's, and what would he have to have to beat me?
BTW, my friends '94 prelude H22 Vtec with full exhaust, intake, and cams loses to me everytime we race. I haven't raced a 97-up prelude yet, so I'm not sure how they compare.
I agree I would prefer the real thing, but they guy never showed up to race me after he told me he would be there hours before. I was just wondering what would have happened if we did. I'm going to try and find him to race him, but what do you guys think about the SH's? I see they have more power, but heard they aren't as good for straght line racing?
The sh only either 195hp or 200hp depending on wether it is a 97-98 or a 99-01. The type-s is the one that has 220hp and was only available in Japan. Unless he's got alot of work done, or a nitrous setup that you dont know about, you should walk him pretty badly. Now go hunt him down.
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hey lets try racing at the real road course. you can show faster cars what real driving can be. instead of this 0-100 crap that takes almost no effort / skill
i'll admit, the occansional street race is fun but actually trying to find one and planning it is pretty douchy.
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1/4 mile fight is pretty much decided before the race starts.
You will win unless...
-your reaction time to when the race starts blows
-you are poor at launching
-you make a horrible shift into the wrong gear
-forget to shift all together
-forget to start out in 1st
-engine blows, stalls, tire explodes, wheel falls off
Your car will beat a Prelude in a simple drag race, but I can't tell whether you can beat him.
1/4 mile fight is pretty much decided before the race starts.
You will win unless...
-your reaction time to when the race starts blows
-you are poor at launching
-you make a horrible shift into the wrong gear
-forget to shift all together
-forget to start out in 1st
-engine blows, stalls, tire explodes, wheel falls off
Your car will beat a Prelude in a simple drag race, but I can't tell whether you can beat him.
If you look at it like that, any form of racing is the same way with just different factors.
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hey lets try racing at the real road course. you can show faster cars what real driving can be. instead of this 0-100 crap that takes almost no effort / skill
i'll admit, the occansional street race is fun but actually trying to find one and planning it is pretty douchy.
It's personal preference on what racing you like. Any type of racing can benefit from driver skill, even drag racing.
That also sounds like what a lot of import drivers around here would say. If they won a drag race, they would brag for a long time, but if they lost, "well, my car is more of a road course car." If it was a road course car, don't challenge me to a drag race! Besides, there are no road courses close to where I live, and even if there was, I would have walked that prelude through the turns as well.
I was not looking for a race either. This guy came into my work and asked if I wanted to race for cash, never met him before. I asked him about his car but he was a douch and wouldn't say anything about it. He was talking a lot of junk so I said I would race for fun in case he was spraying or some ****. He said okay and was supposed to come back to my work when it closed at 9 pm. I waited for like 15 minutes after work but he didnt show up so I left. If I see him at work again I will ask, if not, oh well, just another ricer who wouldn't back it up.
I did not go up to him asking for a race because he has a 4 cylinder and my chances are better. He came up to me and could easily be making the power to keep up with me/ smoke me. While yes, it is cool to see who the better driver is with equal cars, there is nothing wrong with seeing who built the faster car (building/modifying a car can be a skill too!). This is the case for pretty much every street race, since most likely the cars will be very different.
By "actual racing" I assume you mean professional/sanctioned racing where there are certain requirements and restrictions. Even in these applications, there are ways and combinations to tune your vehicle to have an edge over someone else. Most cars are not equal, having different types of parts or tuning which gives them different capabilities. If car #1 is tuned for a certain track and car #2 isn't, car #1 has the advantage, although not necessarily meaning they will win. In professional drag racing, while all cars are under the same requirements/restrictions, there is always certain teams that tend to win more b/c of better tuning/combinations. While driver skill is definitely an important factor, most drivers will admit their crew's decisions in building/tuning the car makes the biggest difference.
Don't get me wrong though, there are times when someone can simply out drive someone else, even when their vehicle is at a disadvantage.
If you say it's the crew that makes the difference in a drag race that furthers my point that, "1/4 mile fight is pretty much decided before the race starts."
If you say it's the crew that makes the difference in a drag race that furthers my point that, "1/4 mile fight is pretty much decided before the race starts."
But how do you know that if you don't race? If 2 cars have the same exact parts, how do you know without actually racing? Something as little as tire pressure can determine the race, so anything can happen. And this isn't only for drag racing, but any style. Just because turning is involved in the race does not mean the better driver will win, because his car may not perform better than others.
While driving takes skill, so can building and tuning. It's cool if you are into proving driver skill, but winning races goes beyond that. I'm sure you didn't get your prelude to drag race, and it's fine if you aren't into it. I posted in this section because 99% of street racing is in a straght line.
If you say it's the crew that makes the difference in a drag race that furthers my point that, "1/4 mile fight is pretty much decided before the race starts."
I have to disagree. No race is decided before the race even starts unless your car doesnt start. As you stated earlier though, it IS usually decided in the first 60 feet of the race as long as the cars are fairly evenly matched. And I can definately feel what this mustang driver is saying about the import driver starting it and then backing out. When I had my vette, there was no end to the civic and sentra "kids" revving on me. Most didnt even last past 2nd gear but, the point is, there are alot of kids out there in hondas with nothing but a fart can thinking that they have something. I'm not talking smack about anyone but c'mon guys, there arent many stock NA four bangers out there that are going to hang with a newer mustang or camaro or anything of that sort, so stop being ignorant and save the revving for after you've got enough work done to at least make it interesting.
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I actually agree with you. This thread got real stupid real fast.
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I dont get it?
If both drivers can drive equally well, the stang would win. I dont see what the debate is about. A stock lude is slow
Now, take it out on a road course. Id like to see how that goes. Seems how the new stangs STILL have a solid rear axle.
Stock for stock, you are right, I would win, but he isn't stock! My whole reason for posting was to learn more about the abilities of the SH's and their POTENTIAL (like, what would he need to beat me), which I haven't got much of yet. So is it 220hp or 195hp? Are they basically like normal ludes?
As for the road course thing, I would still take him. It's amazing how import drivers assume american cars handle extremely bad. Stock, my stang shouldn't have any problem hanging with a stock prelude, but I have a couple suspension mods as well anyways. Plus any straight aways in the course are at my advantage.
Your right, standard mustangs com with solid rear axles. Only the cobras have IRS. The solid rear holds up a lot better on launching hard.
As for the road course thing, I would still take him. It's amazing how import drivers assume american cars handle extremely bad. Stock, my stang shouldn't have any problem hanging with a stock prelude, but I have a couple suspension mods as well anyways.
This isnt really an "assumption". Most Japanese built "sports cars" do handle better than your pony car. Its not some ricer just assuming it. American manifacturers just dont seem to care quit as much about handling as they do flat out acceleration and that is reflected in the vehicles they build. I dont know the specs on your 03, but I know when the 5th gen prelude came out in 97, it was ranked "best handling car for under $30k" which means it outhandled a huge variety of cars at the track. Pretty much any performance oriented American car (with the exception of the corvette) fell into that "under 30k" catagory at the time.
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You are right, import cars generally do handle better from their lightweight and tightness, but I think many people have taken it too far. While an import maybe be able to handle better, there is more than handling in a road course. While an import may can take a turn a few mph faster, some american cars can make up the difference in acceleration from low end torque. I'm not saying one is better than the other though. Imports could use more power, domestics could use better handling.
BTW, I am not against preludes here. I am a car guy - not a domestic, import, old school, or new school only car guy. I like all cars, unlike many other american car owners who despise imports. I may possibly even be building me an import (either prelude or 240sx) this winter to make my daily driver.
You are right, import cars generally do handle better from their lightweight and tightness, but I think many people have taken it too far. While an import maybe be able to handle better, there is more than handling in a road course. While an import may can take a turn a few mph faster, some american cars can make up the difference in acceleration from low end torque. I'm not saying one is better than the other though. Imports could use more power, domestics could use better handling.
BTW, I am not against preludes here. I am a car guy - not a domestic, import, old school, or new school only car guy. I like all cars, unlike many other american car owners who despise imports. I may possibly even be building me an import (either prelude or 240sx) this winter to make my daily driver.
Props to you for your attitude. I cant stand anything more than all closed mindedness that seems to be all over the tuning scene on both sides these days. I've personnally owned 7 camaros, a mustang gt, a corvette, an omega(nova), and many other american vehicles as well as 2 300zx's, an accord and now this prelude. The accord really impressed me and I started tuning it just for kicks but it kinda turned into an obsession. It now serves duty as my wifes daily driver and kid hauler, complete with all the bolt ons, a fully revamped suspension, and a wet nitrous kit. When the time came a few months ago that I finally had the money to buy a car just for weekend fun, I wanted to go back to another z-28 so bad but was bored with what had become to me a simplicity of building american cars after years of doing so.....so I found a 97 prelude that was a rebuilt wreck for a very good price and thats where I'm at now. Hopefully it wont be a mistake. LOL. Anyway, the point is that it really agrivates me when people argue senslessy over import/domestic crap. Just do what you want with what you want and have fun with it.
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