Just another note on these badboys from the acura factory...
It was a nice weekend down here in Edmonton, so I thought id bring out the newer lude for 1 more rip around the city before parking for the winter. (I have 2 5th gens, 1 for sale)
A buddy of mine has a 2003 RSX-S bone stock except for a gutted interior and removed exaust resonators.
My 2000 base, with i/e and vafc tuned, can at most tie him or pull less than half a car through 3 gears redlining (130km/hr or so)
Mind you we always go from a 1st gear roll, the results are always the same, either we tie or I win by a hair.
Its the same result when we switch cars as well, so our driving skills are pretty equal. I find it quite interesting that people without fi can blow these cars away by 2-3 car lengths?
With hondata, intake and race header, the type-s can easily be a mid 13 sec car with a good driver.
With hondata, intake and race header, the type-s can easily be a mid 13 sec car with a good driver.
No with those mods it would be hidding mid 14's...
my buddy who is an amazing driver when his rsx was n/a pulled a 13.8 on slicks with intake, race header, exhaust, hondata, motor mounts, type r final drive, and lsd...rsx-s is quick when modded but not that quick
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2003 Tarmac Black evo 8 - 355 awhp on pump gas - 11.89 @ 116.2
A stock rsx beat a wrx? No way... before I got my STI, I had a wrx. My only mod to the wrx was a scoobysport exhaust. Raced a lot of rsx-s & never lost to one. Wasnt even close.
A stock rsx beat a wrx? No way... before I got my STI, I had a wrx. My only mod to the wrx was a scoobysport exhaust. Raced a lot of rsx-s & never lost to one. Wasnt even close.
rsx had intake and hondata while the wrx has exhaust
^If you ever drove a WRX you would know what I am talking about. Now my STI has no problems launching from first. At any rate you shouldnt make coments about a car you havent launched.
^If you ever drove a WRX you would know what I am talking about. Now my STI has no problems launching from first. At any rate you shouldnt make coments about a car you havent launched.
my good friend has a wrx that ive launched several times and i have an evo which i launch all the time...i think i know how to launch an AWD car...and i definately have an advantage versus FWD!
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2003 Tarmac Black evo 8 - 355 awhp on pump gas - 11.89 @ 116.2
^ an advantage yes, no doubt. IMO, 1st gear really blows in the wrx. Obviously, the evo and sti have no problem. In one of my wrx forums, this problem is discussed in detail. I will search and post the link. Off the line, I have been beat by mustangs, camaros, and spec V. However, in 2nd gear I caught up and pulled on them every time. Do not mistake me for an beginner or someone who "cant drive." I have driven in amateur rallys for about 5 years. Not to brag or be arrogant, but I can "handle" an awd car better than most people who just get it because it is fast. To make one last point... awd is not "made" to be launched or quick off the line. If you are launching, rwd has the advantage.
^If you ever drove a WRX you would know what I am talking about. Now my STI has no problems launching from first. At any rate you shouldnt make coments about a car you havent launched.
I drove WRX, close friend of mine had stage 4 blue WRX. check out
PDXTuning.com, he had one of the fastest WRX in oregon at the time.
I also got to meet owner and crews of Perrin Performance at a local dyno meet
in TorqueFreaks.
No, he(or anybody) never really complained about launching WRX. ALOT of damn scoobies are
around this area, and I know quite a few of them. No one makes comments
like what you've made. Most rex/evo drivers are always confident from a dead stop.
I understand its not the easiest vehicle to launch, but as long as you know
how to properly launch, AWD has good amount of advantage over FWD
when it comes down to high rpm launch. or sometimes, even over RWD.
At any rate, you shouldn't make comments about a person you do not know.
^ ha ha, ok... for the wrx I am strictly talking about a stock one, no mods. Just an FYI, the STI has an option to put 60% bias to the rear wheels (40 % to the front) for those instances when you do have to launch. Only prodrive would think of such an innovation. Thats the difference when you have an engineering company build a car like they did with the wrx.
^ ha ha, ok... for the wrx I am strictly talking about a stock one, no mods. Just an FYI, the STI has an option to put 60% bias to the rear wheels (40 % to the front) for those instances when you do have to launch. Only prodrive would think of such an innovation. Thats the difference when you have an engineering company build a car like they did with the wrx.
Yeah. STi definitely has much better features. You own a STi?
how is that running for ya compare to WRX(assuming you owned/own both?)
^ yeah I had a 04 wrx for 1 year then traded up for the sti (05). I lost some $ but thats okay. I love the sti. There is power everywhere. That thing can launch like you wouldnt believe! After I broke the STI in, one of my buddies kicked my ass with his 500hp wrx. I was kinda pissed about it (maybe shocked), but he recently blew his gearbox. Imo, the gearbox is the weakest link in the wrx. A couple of months ago, a C55 AMG handed my ass to me in the sti. At some point I would like to get Vishnu'd!!
To make one last point... awd is not "made" to be launched or quick off the line. If you are launching, rwd has the advantage.
I think this is complete b.s.
An awd car will out launch a rwd every day of the week! the only chance a rwd has at keeping up on a launch is with slicks
^ perhaps you can explain why you can change the awd bias on the sti from 50/50 to 60/40? The answer is specifically to launch. Call your local subaru dealer if you dont believe me. Better yet, call Prodrive, the engineers who designed the car. They will tell you when you launch, bias toards rw has the advantage. You have a point about rwd and slicks. Can you explain why a E55 amg (rwd) is faster (by any measurement: launch or whatever) than the evo or sti? Im not saying awd is bad... i love it. The fact is, rwd has the advantage on launches.
A 60/40 ratio, give or take, bias to launch the STi is a great idea. The purpose of the majority of the power coming from the rear wheels is when you launch, a lot of the weight of the vehicle shifts to the rear applying more traction to the rear wheels. But regardless of the ratio you use, its still an awd car with four wheels gripping the road as opposed to two (four tires = more grip).
Motor Trend's 0ct 04 issue reports that the STi's 0-30 time is 1.2 sec.
Also Motor Trend's website has a 2003 Enzo 0-30 at 1.34 sec.
All i'm saying is the awd concept is superior to the rwd concept "off the line" or through the intersection or whatever
^ I see your point. AWD is the technology of the future, no doubt. I cant even argue about the motor trend report. Yes 4 tires = more grip.
Let me run something by you. FWD {pull} cars have to: (1) power (2) coroner (3) grip. You lose a lot of power because you are expecting a FWD car to do all 3 at the front axle. Now, RWD {push} cars have to: (1) power from the rear (2) coroner with the front (3) grip with the rear. Thus, RWD has an advantage in putting power to the ground. With AWD {push & pull} you still have the detriment that FWD has. The front is expected to power, coroner, and grip. Although, the grip & power is divided by 4.
Im sure sometime in the future the M3, M5, C55amg, E55amg, and the S55amg will be AWD. These companies claim that the cars are faster as RWD as opposed to AWD. This does leave the question: if the STI and Audi S4 and RS4, RS6 are AWD monsters why cant everybody else do it?
Im sure as more and more car companies produce awd cars, the awd technology will improve (through R&D). There will also be a day when RWD cars will be a relic of the past. For me personally, right now I still like RWD for balls to the wall power. The STI, EVO, S4 are rare breeds.
On the street any day of the week AWD has the advantage...no question
on the track it may be a different story....some of those high horsepower RWD cars take off the line on the two rear wheels and pull like 1.3 60 foots...something AWD could not achieve.
But when speaking generally only in EXTREME cases does RWD have the advantage if giving both cars the same amount of power and same driver...
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2003 Tarmac Black evo 8 - 355 awhp on pump gas - 11.89 @ 116.2
^If you ever drove a WRX you would know what I am talking about. Now my STI has no problems launching from first. At any rate you shouldnt make coments about a car you havent launched.