new si's not that fast? - Honda Prelude Forum

skyyskyy · 10-22-2008, 02:05 PM

so i got my car back from the shop today and on the way home a kid in one of those new civic si's was next to me at a stop light and honked at me pointing to the next stop light so i nodded and pointed too, i had no expectation of getting him i just wanted to see what these new civics got, so the light hits green and i get him off the line but only by half a car and pull on him all the way to 3rd gear by the time we hit the next light whitch is red i had him by a car and a half maybe 2 but i didnt look till i had allredy hit the breaks to start coming to a stop, well he wants to do it again so i nod ok the same exact thing happens again, i thought the new civic si had alot more as$ than that or did this guy just suck at driving, all i have is cia ,headers, and exhaust so at no point did i think i was gonna take this guy just wanted to see where i stood in the overall scheme of things.

ChicagoRSX · 10-22-2008, 03:50 PM

the guy didn't know how to drive. the new si's are indeed quick, just the newest midlife crisis vehicle.

lilbill97 · 10-22-2008, 04:01 PM

Ye, the si's do pull pretty strong. I drive in my friends every now and then and it pulls reall hard in vtec. i think we've hit 104 in 4th gear at like 65oo. rpm.
he has cai and exhaust

skyyskyy · 10-22-2008, 04:31 PM

ok that makes me feel better because i was looking at them when i thought insurance company was gonna total my car, they are beautiful looking car especially the mugen one on the showroom floor.

The Oreo · 10-22-2008, 05:22 PM

I have beaten a 4door one before. They do 15's on the quarter. Also rode in a friend's.. Stock I was not impressed.

Sorry..

I want to race a coupe.. Not that it's much of a difference.

skyyskyy · 10-22-2008, 05:57 PM

this was the 2 door coupe si, the only thing i did not like when i test drove one and sat in the mugen one was the wing in dead center of the rear window, it doesnt hinder the view its just freakin annoying, other than that i loved it i just didnt get to vtec it on the test drive so i didnt know what these i-vtec's are puttin down. i wasnt even proud of the win more dissapointed that the civic didnt spank me to give me that justification to have car payments again.

Vanquished · 10-22-2008, 06:34 PM

Hopefully this weekend I will be able to drive my buddie's Si sedan, I'd like to feel the i-VTEC as well, but I know the K20s are no push over. The closes thing Ive ever raced to a 7th gen Si was an RSX-S and had him all through the 1/4 mile until the very end he pulled ahead, beat me by about .2 seconds or so, but that was also the 3rd time ive ever went down the track so I'm still not very good, but I am sure there is some magic in those K20s with i-VTEC.

skyyskyy · 10-22-2008, 07:13 PM

let me know what you think of it, hopefully your buddy will let you be more liberal with the throttle than the sales guy from honda if he would have let me take it to 8grand wot i might have signed papers that day.

Vanquished · 10-23-2008, 04:56 AM

Yeah I really hope we chill this weekend and if we do I'll let you know what I thought of it. I'm sure he'll let me floor it, if there is any problem I'll let him drive my lude and get heavy on the throttle to make it even.

Vanquished · 10-25-2008, 06:46 PM

Ok so I met up with my buddie and drove his 4 door '08 Si and.......well....to be quite honest, I was kinda disappointed. Don't get me wrong they defenitly have some get up and go but the i-vtec didn't kick in like the vtec does in the prelude. So it's really different but when I was really flooring it in the Si it didn't feel like it was faster than my prelude...I'd say it would be a very close race. So that is just my opinion and experence from driving a new Si 4 door and the i-vtec, I think they're over rated, nice but not that nice.

skyyskyy · 10-25-2008, 06:57 PM

that is just down right dissapointing, oh well ill just wait for some one at honda to be inspired to build a new prelude or my folks to kick the bucket so i can afford a new gtr, i would like to see the new prelude come first but the gtr is looking more likely.

petern101 · 10-26-2008, 10:01 PM

You do realize I-vtec is better in every single way. The reason why you don't feel it is because it's supposed to be a linear engagement.

boymeetsfence · 10-26-2008, 10:33 PM

Isn't i-VTEC also a three stage? I thought I read that somewhere. If so, that would also be why the pull felt less than the 2-stage H22 VTEC

223h23Lude · 10-26-2008, 11:03 PM

honestly i drove the new civic si coupe... i really liked the sound that comes out of the car and really thought I would be driving a faster car than my lude and I never wanted to race with my friend cuz hes a type of person that doesnt shut his mouth over anything and after trying his car I was 100% sure that I would beat him and I actually did by atleast 3-4 cars after 3 lights ... and I made fun of him cuz of the money he spent... " I like the look of my lude way more than alot of new cars!

proeliator38 · 10-27-2008, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by boymeetsfence

Isn't i-VTEC also a three stage? I thought I read that somewhere. If so, that would also be why the pull felt less than the 2-stage H22 VTEC

Nope thats a myth I-VTEC engages the same way as the h22 VTEC system at a set rpm but what makes it seem so gradually is the VTC mechanism( electronically controlled cam gear) at the end of the intake cam. The VTC is always engaged and adjusting itself depending on RPM and other varibles. So basically the VTC gives K series engine the best valve overlap in all rpm ranges making the power seem linear instead of a surge. Lastly, the kick you feel when the h22 engages VTEC is a loss of power

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skyyskyy · 10-27-2008, 06:16 AM

loss of power? please explain that one, im not sayin its not right it just boggles the mind to have kick and loss of power togather unless your engine is crapping out and is kicking while dieing.

Vanquished · 10-27-2008, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by petern101

You do realize I-vtec is better in every single way. The reason why you don't feel it is because it's supposed to be a linear engagement.

Yes I know that. Look, I was just explaining what my experience was driving the new Si. The i-VTEC is probably better but it just didn't feel all that spectacular to me. I know the 0-60 time is quicker on a new Si vs a lude but it just didn't feel like it was all that better to me. Personally I still like my lude better and I like how the VTEC in my car feels better than the i-VTEC. I just like the feeling of that extra boost of power right after 5.5 rpms in an old school H22A

The Oreo · 10-27-2008, 08:23 AM

New Si 4drs do 15's on the quarter.. That's ALL I have to say..

I have raced one on the highway and I RAPED it.. AND we were in the turns also.. I could hear his car NICELY also as he went AROUND me at first initiating the race while looking at me as he passed, and as I shifted to 3rd my car pulled on him (not like a bat out of hell but quick enough) to catch up and PASS him. This was before my header though.. And I did have my JDM tranny and motor.

I still dont get how it is a LOSS of power when vtec engages, because the throw-back in my seat that I get definetly feels good to me..

ALSO..

Dont you guys think that if the prelude EVER came back, it would HAVE I-Vtec?

I doubt honda would take a step back into what WE have now..

I am saying technology does continue to move forward, and one day they might have something even better than i-vtec.. Like hmmm..

TORQUE maybe?

Just kidding.. I know my car feels like i-vtec sometimes.. I think I did a great job picking aftermarket parts so I could gain some torque. Just want to tune it one day.

death_adder · 10-27-2008, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanquished

I just like the feeling of that extra boost of power right after 5.5 rpms in an old school H22A

Damn straight. Well put. My H22's Vtec kicks in around 5100-5200 rpms and it just makes the car roar. I love in the mornings when I pull out of my neighborhood the car just sounds great warming up. I know Vtec doesn't engage till the engine is fully warmed, but when it isn't it just sounds awesome, really throaty, rumble.

My buddies all talk up their b16's and b18's, but in the end I don't even care, because I finally own a h22 (JDM H22 at that...if that even counts for anything.) and there is nothing that sounds better to me than a straight through full exhaust (manifold back) on an h22.

^...with the exceptions of a F20 with ITB's, or a K20 Hatch flying down the road.

petern101 · 10-27-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Oreo

I still dont get how it is a LOSS of power when vtec engages, because the throw-back in my seat that I get definetly feels good to me..

Actually if you ever look at stock dyno's, the statement is true. At vtec the graph does dip down but then moves up again very quickly.

There is a mometary lapse between the switching of the cam lobes that you kind of lose power.

It's like shifting gears (very fast of course), there is no way you can make power at the exact point.