Lost to a GSR - Honda Prelude Forum

97PreludeSH · 07-09-2001, 08:09 AM

Hey,

I was coming home last night on the freeway when a GSR started to tailgate me and I knew he wanted some. So, I try to line up an even race as best as I could. I slowed down a little to even us out then he gunned it about 1-2 car lengths behind me, so he had momentum. He had Intake, exhaust from what I could tell and no passenter, all I have is a AEM Cai with 17" wheels, passenger and 2 12" subs in the back. So I gunned it in 4th (less then 5k rpms, so no vtec yet) but he slowly crept past, but not by much. I'm sure if we lined up an even match without him jumping out first I could have taken him, what do you guys think?

Mike

prelude2005 · 07-09-2001, 08:15 AM

I can beat a GSR easily in my 4th gen vtec. I dunno why you couldnt keep up? you have an SH right?

You shoulda droped it back into at least 3rd gear. that way you could have VTEC engaged, and you probably would of beatin him.

97PreludeSH · 07-09-2001, 08:22 AM

Yeah, 97 SH.
I know I would have beaten him, just wanted some input, he had momentum and somewhat of a lead and he barely walked away and every time I kept on trying to get a rematch he wouldn't slow down, he didn't want a rematch.

1997ludeSH · 07-09-2001, 09:31 AM

yea i walk gsr's all the time, like one time a gti with the 1.8T, me and a gsr lined up. Me and the GTI walked the gsr, and i walked the GTI, go figure. But if you are going from like 55 to 85 drop it to third, this will be in vtec. if you are going lower than 55 drop to 2nd. 3rd gear vtec will kick in like 62 mph and redline is about 91 mph. If you dropped to third you woulda killed him.

lude_driver · 07-09-2001, 10:23 AM

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Originally posted by 1997ludeSH
yea i walk gsr's all the time, like one time a gti with the 1.8T, me and a gsr lined up. Me and the GTI walked the gsr, and i walked the GTI, go figure. But if you are going from like 55 to 85 drop it to third, this will be in vtec. if you are going lower than 55 drop to 2nd. 3rd gear vtec will kick in like 62 mph and redline is about 91 mph. If you dropped to third you woulda killed him.

I used to drop to 2nd at about 50MPH, but I stopped after having my syncros replaced twice. $$$$$$

bgod · 07-09-2001, 10:27 AM

like the old saying goes, it's all the driver on the streets.

since you didn't downshift, that's why he pulled on you. next time, downshift to 3rd and it'll be night/day.

lude_driver, do you blip the throttle to match the engine rev? if so you shouldn't have any problems with the synchros.
i personally blip the throttle to match the revs and double clutch it. old habbit watching the rally racers back in the day on espn in the 80's. i've downshifted to 2nd gear almost redlining as well as 3rd. i have no problems with my synchros.

99Prelude_LC · 07-09-2001, 10:45 AM

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Originally posted by bgod
i've downshifted to 2nd gear almost redlining as well as 3rd. i have no problems with my synchros.

ditto, i really need to start double clutching when going to 50, won't that eliminate synchro use all together? right now i just rev match and use a single clutch pass while downshifting.

bgod · 07-09-2001, 12:19 PM

prelude_lc, i know some people that don't double clutch and have no problems so far. but i also know people who do have problems just trying to match the engine with a single clutch engagement. it's said that the synchros are there for that reason, but i just don't know. honda synchros just seem weak in my opinion, just my opinion.

i've double clutched and blipped the throttle on every downshift for so long now it's like an instinctive thing now. so natural.

mgw · 07-09-2001, 01:02 PM

just wondering...im about to get my provisionals
and i already have a prelude(was givn to meby my bro)
and what is double clutching?

PassatVR6 · 07-10-2001, 07:51 AM

downshift all day long near redline, as long as u remember to "blip" the throttle to rev match. This makes for a much moother/easier downshift transition.

Double clutching is when u engage the clutch to take the stick out of gear and into neutral, disenage clutch, then re-engage clutch to stick the car into a lower gear when u downshift.
After practice, u should be able to do this really quick and without much thought.

And yeah 97Prelude, If you grabbed 3rd instead of 4th you should have been able to take care of that GSR , or atleast be closer. GSRs are pretty good once they get rollin so dont underestimate them especially if they have more mods than you.

Fusion · 07-10-2001, 09:03 AM

Hey matt. I probably missed it but what's the benefit of double clutching?

Shadow1 · 07-11-2001, 07:33 AM

A nice double clutch downshift to third would have waxed that GSR!!! Or even second if you were going aorund 50 or 55! But I agree with what passatvr6 says those gsrs can be quick with alot of mods!

Fusion: the reason I double clutch is to stay vtec while racing.

OOHLAH · 07-11-2001, 10:07 AM

I always drop to third gear when racing other cars. You need to do find that Gsr and let him know whos the big daddy. I have all of the Gsr's around my way shook.

Frost_White94Si · 07-17-2001, 10:49 PM

some punk ass kid in a Chevy Malibu kept revving next to me at a light but there were mad cars ahead of me and i wasnt in the mood. then he gets all up next to me and TAKES A SWERVE AT ME!!! little *****. well he drops back and then gets maybe a 10-15mpg jump on me. then once hes past me i can finally get into an open lane. i drop it down into 2nd and floored it, but i could barely pull on him. he must have hit his speed limiter at about 115 cuz i see a bunch on smoke and then i fly by him. so i see him at the next light and hes smilin, with an empty 40 oz. in his hand, sayin that i couldnt catch him. it was obvious that he was drunk. i HATE drunk drivers cuz that **** is just plain stupid. so i jump out and bust him in the face and kick in his rear quarter panel. i mean the kid is drunk AND takes a swerve at me. i cant believe he didnt put me into the retaining wall. he treis to catch me (he had 3 people in his car so i figgered i would make a hasty exit). and i of course smoked him from a standing start and i havent seen him since, but i now have a baseball bat in my car at all times. i wish people would just get a ****ing life! sorry for ranting but i had to get this out. i seriously thought i was gonna eat it.

1997ludeSH · 07-18-2001, 08:37 AM

Damn drunks, you shouldn't drive drunk let alone race drunk...

And yea momentum i a lot, specially when the cars are so close together in acceleration. THis one hooked up(lots of sponsors and stuff) GTI did this to me. He got in the left lane and gunned it, i waited for him to get up to me then gunned it, he started to walk me and he threw his hazards on. Then i did the same to him, i gun it, then when i come to him he guns it and i walk him, and i throw my hazards at him. All about momentum, thats why rolling races are harder than and less fair than the stoplight ones...

mgw · 08-02-2001, 11:43 AM

hey you know what werks great instead of a baseballbat is an asp those things HURT

illusion · 08-02-2001, 04:55 PM

to quote 'spite' from another board:

"Actually the reason you double-clutch instead of rev-match is to get the layshaft spinning at the same speed as the engine. Rev-matching just gets the engine spinng fast enough to match the wheels, it only saves the clutch some work. To save synchros, you double-clutch."

1997ludeSH · 08-02-2001, 07:54 PM

To eliminate the use of synchros: double-clutch.
Why double-clutch? rev-matching is fine enuf

OOHLAH · 08-15-2001, 06:20 AM

I will say the double clutching has helped me out a few times. I did it in my Integra but not my Lude.

desiluder · 08-15-2001, 01:42 PM

Is rev matching when you shift to the lower gear, keep the clutch engaged, blip the gas to get the revs up and then come off the clutch to engage the lower gear?

Is double clutching when you shift from a higher gear into neutral, come off the clutch, then blip the gas and then put the clutch in, get in the lower gear and then finally come off the clutch to engage the lower gear?

Are my definitions and steps to perform the technique correct?

Does blipping the gas, while having the clutch in and the tranny in a gear do any harm to the clutch?