Hey, I've heard about some of you beating up on Civic hatches w/ motor swaps. Well, let me share with you my experience from last night.
There's a guy at my work that started about a week and a half ago. He has a '98 Civic EX hatch w/ a JDM b16a swapped in w/ V-AFC, Intake, I don't really know what else he has. Anyway, he told me at work last night, "wait around til we close, I wanna race your Prelude." I was like whatever, so I waited. My engine mods on my car are, AEM CAI/Sh!tty exhaust/Slipping clutch (on an h23). Big deal right? OH, and I got sticky tires.
We went to a little place I know that's great for a run so we drove there, and we decided to start from a 10 roll (don't wanna burn up my new tires just yet). We went on the third honk (both started very evenly), and from 10-80, he put about a car 1/2- car 3/4 on me. I wasn't really upset or anything, I think I did pretty good, fighting my weak clutch and all.
Oh, and before we raced he told me his car runs low 14s at Gateway (which is the 1/4 mile track in Stl), so afterwards I actually felt good. Hopefully he wasn't bull****ting about the low 14s part.
Anyways, there you have it. Cliff notes: JDM b16a swapped hatch beat my pretty much stock '92 h23 (w/ 140k miles) from 10-80 by about a car and a half.
-After my new clutch, header, hi-flow cat and new cat-back here in about a month and a half, I'll be ready to try again for sure. Expecting different results.
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Yeah Good Death! I can see you were not surprized as you shouldn't be. Besides the varibles you mentioned, in a general scope you have about the same hp, quite a bit more tourque and weight as well.
I have raced a couple of them in my 5th gen w/bolt-ons. They have been somewhat close a couple of times, me getting a great launch and they start to catch up a little into 3rd, but they have never actually caught up. Two NA, one turbo.
I dont think that b16 will give a hatch s2k speed, maybe a B18C5. That way the power/redline vs weight is not much off compared to the s2k.
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03 Acura CL-S 6 Spd Blk/Blk
95 Yamaha FZR600R **for sale**
Actually I think that'd equate to about 4 tenths or maybe a half second.
Okay, his official mod list is "JDM b16a, JDM header w/ 2.5" collector, 2.5" piping back to some muffler (don't remember which), test pipe, V-AFC (semi-tuned, crossover set at 4900rpms), and AEM CAI. He says he ran a 14.4 at the track and he's gonna bring me his timeslip to show me. Oh, btw, it's not an EX, it's a DX (which is the base model), and it weighs just over 2100lbs.
-On the top end I think an s2k would pull pretty good on this car, but from a stop (1/4 mile), it'd be pretty close I bet.
Just for the record, I haven't raced my car at the track yet, I'm waiting for my new clutch/flwheel and new exhaust, then I'll run it. I have no doubt that I'll hit at least a 14.9. My h23 runs VERY healthy. I've ran other h23s (one auto and one stick) and beat them both by a considerable margin (the auto worse of course).
Anyways, thanks for some of the comments guys.
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Josh's '92 Milano Si (5spd)- The mod list is growing!!
Originally posted by Preyluder Actually I think that'd equate to about 4 tenths or maybe a half second.
Okay, his official mod list is "JDM b16a, JDM header w/ 2.5" collector, 2.5" piping back to some muffler (don't remember which), test pipe, V-AFC (semi-tuned, crossover set at 4900rpms), and AEM CAI. He says he ran a 14.4 at the track and he's gonna bring me his timeslip to show me. Oh, btw, it's not an EX, it's a DX (which is the base model), and it weighs just over 2100lbs.
-On the top end I think an s2k would pull pretty good on this car, but from a stop (1/4 mile), it'd be pretty close I bet.
Just for the record, I haven't raced my car at the track yet, I'm waiting for my new clutch/flwheel and new exhaust, then I'll run it. I have no doubt that I'll hit at least a 14.9. My h23 runs VERY healthy. I've ran other h23s (one auto and one stick) and beat them both by a considerable margin (the auto worse of course).
Anyways, thanks for some of the comments guys.
go run first, if you run 14's youll be the first to do it with those mods.
^^ Yes. I thought we went through all the specs/times of the 4th/5th gen's before? I dont think that would be a possibility with your mods and milage. Both gen VTEC's with those mods and a good driver/tires net somewhere between 14.7-15.0. I ran a 14.9, with i/p.
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03 Acura CL-S 6 Spd Blk/Blk
95 Yamaha FZR600R **for sale**
Originally posted by Preyluder My engine mods on my car are, AEM CAI/Sh!tty exhaust/Slipping clutch (on an h23). Big deal right? OH, and I got sticky tires.
^Jesus, at least there's one person who knows what he's talking about.
First off, he "meant" low-mid 14s, I'm sure.
ludedewd, I have a really bad muffler that has a blown baffle (80 dollar off brand), and 2.5 in. "custom" piping back to the catalytic converter. Everything is coming off within 2 months (have some other things to worry about first), and a RS*r ExMag catback, Random Tech. hi-flow cat and a DC Sports CC 4-2-1 header are going on. At the same time, I will install my polyurethane motor mount bushings. That, with an AEM CAI, Exedy Organic/ACT Streetlite flywheel combo, I don't think I'll have any problem running a high 14 at least, as long as I can get a decent 60 ft. time. The track by my house almost always has a tailwind and it's elevation is perfect.
JayZ98, specs don't mean sh!t, know that. No offense, but H22s aren't really at all faster than an h23 in the 1320, not by the 1000ft. mark AT LEAST. I've quite oftenly heard about h23s with basic bolt-ons beating an h22 Prelude (I've never heard about a 4th gen Vtec getting beat though.)
I wasn't trying to make this into a freakin' argument. Damn, the SR forum IS starting to suck. Some of you don't believe anything, NO MATTER WHAT, and are just too nit-picky. PO isn't NEARLY like what it used to be.
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Josh's '92 Milano Si (5spd)- The mod list is growing!!
ludehawk and bolivianfuego both pulled mid 14's with bolt-ons and both were 5th gens
next time, do some research before you speak
kthnxbye
Next time read the post before you try talking S H I T!
I never said a 5th gen couldn't do it. I said his H23 and that B16 Hatch couldn't do it. I know 5th gens with bolt ons can pull 14's.
Douche!
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a local guy here had a b16 hatch, with i/h/e/vafc/cam gears....and he ran 14.3...with interior... so i know a hatch even with a b16 can pull some quick times...ive seen b18 ones run mid 13s.....also im not sure the h23 even with those additional mods would hit 14s, but good luck too you, theyre very good 1/8 mile cars...but they really show their weakness top end, from the 1/8th mark on...peace
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I can see you were not surprized as you shouldn't be. Besides the varibles you mentioned, in a general scope you have about the same hp, quite a bit more tourque and weight as well. 
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