Best way to race? - Honda Prelude Forum

NotoriouSH · 11-18-2004, 05:34 PM

If given the option of setting up a race however I want, what would be the best way to maximize the Lude's potential? Let's say I'm going against a car that runs a slightly better quarter mile and has a strong driver. If you're going against a car in the same class a Prelude, such as an Integra GSR or Eclipse GST, what would you recommend? I'm just wondering if I should go from a dig, a 5 mph roll, or something like a 3rd gear 70mph punch, etc.

D3c3p7i0n · 11-19-2004, 08:18 AM

I'd say any roll from 20mph or higher should be a good starting point for the lude

LowFlyin' · 11-19-2004, 08:21 AM

2nd gear is one of the stronger gears in our cars, so I'd say second gear from about 5200rpm, which I think is around 45mph.

racinghonda · 11-21-2004, 04:48 AM

Yeah, like LowFlyin said 2nd gear 5200rpm. Just make sure you're near the hi-cam change over. Use the greater torque of the lude to advantage.

ludedewd · 11-22-2004, 05:30 PM

from a roll of about 40 a lude(h22) will walk away from both of those cars.

JayZ98 · 11-28-2004, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by NotoriouSH

If given the option of setting up a race however I want, what would be the best way to maximize the Lude's potential? Let's say I'm going against a car that runs a slightly better quarter mile and has a strong driver. If you're going against a car in the same class a Prelude, such as an Integra GSR or Eclipse GST, what would you recommend? I'm just wondering if I should go from a dig, a 5 mph roll, or something like a 3rd gear 70mph punch, etc.

Well I have a good amount of experience here. I am assuming you mean something of the big domestic type. Like crustang gt or camaro, or even a A4.

My sucess against these types have been from the following. I dont know if you know how to do this, but if not you will need to practice a little.

I would say a 50ish roll in 3rd > 2nd bliping the gas to get the revs at the speed you would be in 2nd, at the mph. Follow this all with quick 8k shifts and you should be all good.

Or you can do the same with 70ish roll and doubble pump the gas to drop it into 3rd to start it off in vtec.

I usually cause of my launch, get out quite a bit till a 1/4 mile then a good driver in a gt i just get passed after that. This is from a stop though, which you certainly want to stay away from unless you have a 'LC Launch'!

Good luck mang.

NotoriouSH · 11-29-2004, 07:32 AM

Are you saying it's faster to start off rolling in a higher gear then drop it down a gear as soon as the race starts? I guess that would give it more of a launching effect than just rolling in 2nd and flooring it. I don't know what you mean by double pumping the gas though?

JayZ98 · 11-29-2004, 06:46 PM

Some know it as 'doubble clutching', others know it as rev matching, but your just down shifting to a previous gear, while driving, but your elminating the big jerk/hold back all manual cars do when you would do this.

Practive this: Your cruzin in 3rd, put it in neutral, quickly blip the gas while putting it in second, the lift the clutch. At first you might get a small jerk, but nothing like when your letting your revs drop at 50mph to 1k and then going back up to 5k agian.

When you do this fast and accuratly, when cruzin, you can just take off without waring pretty quickly. The trick is to learn what rpm a gear is holding at a certain speed.

They key is to have your rmp's already at where the next lower gear would put them, your just ahead of it. And most of the time, ahead of the guy that just matched up with you and gave you that 'wasssup' look/

I as well as other good drivers do this often to get the jump/good start on rolls at certain speeds. I particularly like 50mph drop to second, and it pulls hard!

LowFlyin' · 11-30-2004, 01:53 AM

Double Clutching - Clutch in. Pull shifter out of higher gear, put the shifter in neutral, and release the clutch. Rev the engine to spin the transmission. Clutch in, shift to lower gear, and release clutch.

Rev Matching - When down shifting, you match the engine revs to the proper gear, car speed, and engine speed.

Heel-Toe Shifting - Using two feet to control 3 pedals.

Double Clutching is not needed in todays manual transmissions. Before syncros were used in the transmission, double clutching was the only way to get a smooth shift/engagement while moving at speed.

As far as rolling a Mustang GT or Camaro Z28/SS, I wouldn't advise it. The Prelude might be a decent runner from a roll, but it still won't hang with those cars in stock or lightly modded form.

JaXx4k · 12-01-2004, 10:41 PM

i had both GSR N GS-T heads up.... the GSR will put up a really good fight from a dead stop.. but the GST got nothin on 5th gen... GSR vs 5th gen = driver race... i ran a few when i was bolt ons. i lost one n won one... so i say is a driver race...

JayZ98 · 12-02-2004, 06:23 AM

Your on crack Jackie! GSR's, unless seriously modded to a stock 5th gen without a good driver, is not a drivers race. Especially from a stop where they have NO torque to help them off the line.

My experience has been 6-0 with them modded and whatnot. Stop, Roll, whatever. The most troubble was one with i/h/e/p/cat/jg im/clutch/flywheel. from a 55 roll, by 120 I had 1.5 cars. Most have this same experience, unless they could not drive or there was something wrong.

The GST/GSX's are a little tougher, but only from a stop, especially the AWD GSX. On the highway, they are pretty slow, 80+ defintely not as fast as the prelude nor GSR.

I think you just couldnt drive or launch back then!

JayZ98 · 12-02-2004, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by LowFlyin'

Double Clutching - Clutch in. Pull shifter out of higher gear, put the shifter in neutral, and release the clutch. Rev the engine to spin the transmission. Clutch in, shift to lower gear, and release clutch.

Rev Matching - When down shifting, you match the engine revs to the proper gear, car speed, and engine speed.

Heel-Toe Shifting - Using two feet to control 3 pedals.

Double Clutching is not needed in todays manual transmissions. Before syncros were used in the transmission, double clutching was the only way to get a smooth shift/engagement while moving at speed.

As far as rolling a Mustang GT or Camaro Z28/SS, I wouldn't advise it. The Prelude might be a decent runner from a roll, but it still won't hang with those cars in stock or lightly modded form.

Thanks for clairifying these. Allot of people dont know the differences, especiall rev matching vs doubble clutching.

Like I said before many times, my experience with a stock 00 gt; with a good launch I get just pass a 1/4 mile with .75-1 cars on it, then i just get walked. This is with me i/p/e and we were both good drivers. The older models as highway runs are a little different, though their gearing is more for top speed so it seems.

ludehawk · 12-02-2004, 08:36 AM

haha, lemme put an MBC on a stock gst.... you guys are on crack thinking you can beat a gst.... stock, yes! but they are $10 from 13's

also, a stock z28 from a 30roll is 1 car beatable by 100.... but after 100, they have more power... say bye

now... a modded lude can hang with a stockish evo 70+

NotoriouSH · 12-02-2004, 02:58 PM

I double clutch and rev match all the time, just never heard to "double pump" the gas

I didn't think the lude had that much potential against evo's, camaros, and rustangs.. Always thought our crappy 15sec quarter miles made us tehSLOW! I think GST's feel fast because they have so much torque, but my friend said my Lude pulls much harder than his GST at higher speeds. Is that the advantage of high rpm engines?

racinghonda · 12-02-2004, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NotoriouSH

but my friend said my Lude pulls much harder than his GST at higher speeds. Is that the advantage of high rpm engines?

Yep, Honda's tend to have very good top end power, they're not low grunting engines, spin them hard and they go hard.

ludedewd · 12-06-2004, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by racinghonda

Yep, Honda's tend to have very good top end power, they're not low grunting engines, spin them hard and they go hard.

i guess, but compared to the 4.6 gt and ls-1 we get raped after, the ls-1 from any speed and the 4.6 after 110.