300z NA vs 99 lude - Honda Prelude Forum

badassrobs · 01-05-2007, 06:42 PM

hey, my friend with a 1993 300zx non-turbo STOCK thinks its faster than my 1999 prelude.... i searched google for times on it and couldnt find anything consistent... does anyone know times for the non turbo 300z?? it seems like it should be pretty slow... 222hp/198tq but it weights 3400... any opinions?

petern101 · 01-05-2007, 07:14 PM

^well you might be only 200 lbs lighter.

umm a nonturbo 300z manual will kill you. you are telling me a prelude with 200/160 @ 3200 lbs is going to beat a 300z with 222/198 @ 3400 lbs?

its pretty much a longshot. from your sig, most 4th gen vtecs will beat you

kmart64 · 01-05-2007, 07:25 PM

it'll be pretty even, but the prelude should beat it out...

The Oreo · 01-05-2007, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by petern101

^well you might be only 200 lbs lighter.

umm a nonturbo 300z manual will kill you. you are telling me a prelude with 200/160 @ 3200 lbs is going to beat a 300z with 222/198 @ 3400 lbs?

its pretty much a longshot. from your sig, most 4th gen vtecs will beat you

U should do a search mang..

SH's dont even weigh THAT much.. 3,033 at best in an SH.. 2,933lbs in a base.. And then a 4th gen only weighs maybe 40lbs less than that IF even.. I did my research BEFORE I decided to not buy an SH.. AND I HAVE BEATEN NA 3000 GT,s 300 ZX's, and have yet to run into an NA supra 5 speed...

Emerald99 · 01-05-2007, 10:58 PM

I can sell you a turbo kit I have lying around my room if you want, that'll do the trick lol ($850+shipping). And I think you'll be able to take the Z anyway, it's probably a driver's race.

petern101 · 01-05-2007, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Oreo

U should do a search mang..

SH's dont even weigh THAT much.. 3,033 at best in an SH.. 2,933lbs in a base.. And then a 4th gen only weighs maybe 40lbs less than that IF even.. I did my research BEFORE I decided to not buy an SH.. AND I HAVE BEATEN NA 3000 GT,s 300 ZX's, and have yet to run into an NA supra 5 speed...

well if anything.......the difference in weight from those numbers are not that far off.

you all realize that those numbers are slightly better than srt-4 numbers. and a srt-4 with 2 extra ppl inside will still beat a prelude.

if his best time is low 15s, and 4th gens are mid 14s w/jdm h22s, well that says it all

The Oreo · 01-07-2007, 04:11 PM

I've kept up with a stock SRT 4 on the highway going from 3rd WITH nobody in his car, and nobody in my car... There were two actually.. Both silver.. one had mods.. They BOTH thought I had turbo to even keep up with them..

and I have driven an Srt4 before. To me it isnt really that fast.. Felt no different than my car.. Maybe mine is a factory freak...

The Oreo · 01-07-2007, 04:16 PM

Oh and I raced the SRT4 that was modded from a dead stop.. Kept up with him in 1st.. BUt he pulled on me in second, and after we were done he was at LEAST 2 car lengths ahead... The stock one was still BY me...

snotshake · 01-07-2007, 04:22 PM

I race a srt-4 (and it was witnessed by many on this site) from 3rd (55mph) where they are out of boost in 3rd gear. I pulled a few cars at the beginning but it quickly closed the gap after it hit boost and blew my doors off. This was with one person in his car.

BTW peter, i think srt-4s have 240 hp. anyways, a 4th w/ JDM H22 will def be faster than a 5th because JDM H22 has 220 hp IIRC.

On-T: Go ahead and race. Don't do it for $ or anything but it should be a good race. You will have ~400 lb on him. He will have about 40 hp & 40 ft/lb on you. He will probably beat you from a dig but i bet you could at least match him from highway speeds.

Anyway, stop bench racing and go do it!

The Oreo · 01-07-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by snotshake

I race a srt-4 (and it was witnessed by many on this site) from 3rd (55mph) where they are out of boost in 3rd gear. I pulled a few cars at the beginning but it quickly closed the gap after it hit boost and blew my doors off. This was with one person in his car.

BTW peter, i think srt-4s have 240 hp. anyways, a 4th w/ JDM H22 will def be faster than a 5th because JDM H22 has 220 hp IIRC.

On-T: Go ahead and race. Don't do it for $ or anything but it should be a good race. You will have ~400 lb on him. He will have about 40 hp & 40 ft/lb on you. He will probably beat you from a dig but i bet you could at least match him from highway speeds.

Anyway, stop bench racing and go do it!

JDM h22a's DO not have 220hp.. The have 195hp, with 163lbs foot of torque, and a HIGHER compression ratio.. ALSO they have a closed deck design, which makes them safer to turbo (not that u should) after lowering the compression ratio, than an H22A4..

If u get a TYPE S motor u will have 220hp, and 163lbs of torque..

I WISH I could get my hands on the rare Si-R motor with LSD... Which had the same specs... The Type S had ATTS of course...

I have driven a JDM h22a.. It DOES NOT have 220hp.. Not 4 gen ones.. And some 5th gens have that trim level also..

precisionelite · 01-07-2007, 05:37 PM

With SRT-4's it all depends on the driver. I've beaten one at my local drag strip on one of my 14.4 runs. I got a great launch, and he must of spun a lot. This was with my 188whp 5th gen that is gutted behind the front seats. Remember there is no replacement for practice.

The Oreo · 01-07-2007, 05:47 PM

I have alot of respect for SRT4's, Cobalt SS's, and EVEN those Saturn Redlines... Or whatever they are.. So I hope nobody doesnt think I am talking out of my ass.. I know alot of SRT4 people around my area.. So I know who is stock or not usually. But those cars are pretty badass.. Especially when lowered.. I almost thought about getting one because it has factory boost.. But I think I might go with subaru on that....

precisionelite · 01-07-2007, 05:57 PM

Oh yea, I think dodge did that car right! Isn't the LSD a quaife unit? If the guy can drive it good, those cars can rocket down the track. They get a thumb-up from me!

Zbone · 01-08-2007, 01:12 PM

back on topic,

you should be able to take him; stock for stock he might have the edge, but you having bolt-ons should give you the edge.

jsmooney · 01-11-2007, 09:40 PM

i would say you will take him IF you can drive better. i had a chance to race one once, but he didnt know if i was going to stop at the light and i was the same way. he kept going, i stopeed at the light. since then, i want to race one. I think I could beat it (93 Si F22B).

I was messing around at the drag strip, on a hot day this auto 300Z was running low 16's, i was running mid 15's

snotshake · 01-11-2007, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The Oreo

JDM h22a's DO not have 220hp.. The have 195hp, with 163lbs foot of torque, and a HIGHER compression ratio.. ALSO they have a closed deck design, which makes them safer to turbo (not that u should) after lowering the compression ratio, than an H22A4..

If u get a TYPE S motor u will have 220hp, and 163lbs of torque..

I WISH I could get my hands on the rare Si-R motor with LSD... Which had the same specs... The Type S had ATTS of course...

I have driven a JDM h22a.. It DOES NOT have 220hp.. Not 4 gen ones.. And some 5th gens have that trim level also..

Ok, sorry! I said they had 220 IIRC (If I remember corectly.) I'm terribly sorry that I mistook the JDM for the Type-S.

tehsu · 01-14-2007, 12:52 PM

I raced my brothers 300Z and lost by a few inches and we're both matched drivers, he took off on me, vtec kicked in i catched up, but he stayed ahead the whole time, and of course already discussed weight difference, and at that time we were both stock.

Skrilla · 01-23-2007, 06:43 PM

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I was messing around at the drag strip, on a hot day this auto 300Z was running low 16's, i was running mid 15's

wow he pulled some horrible times...I think you'll take him too...the VG motor wasn't much on the top end NA...just a regular engine that was (thankfully) replaced

Sunday BBQ · 01-27-2007, 08:29 PM

I raced a NA 300zx from a stop when I had my '95 VTEC. We were both lightly modded. I ended up in front with about 2 car lengths between us. He was pissed cause he thought he was going to win! I did get a great launch though, but I still manage to slowly pull on him the entire time.

jsmooney · 01-27-2007, 09:02 PM

skrilla - i drove a 300ZX NA once upon a time and i noticed that there was no pull topend like a VTEC.....but they are nice cars and i would still trade my car for a 90-93 Z32 Silver outside with charcoal grey interior 5speed 2+2

Skrilla · 01-31-2007, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jsmooney

skrilla - i drove a 300ZX NA once upon a time and i noticed that there was no pull topend like a VTEC.....but they are nice cars and i would still trade my car for a 90-93 Z32 Silver outside with charcoal grey interior 5speed 2+2

I agree 100% as I said in my previous post. The VG NA wasn't anything much on the top at all. That doesn't apply to my '04 VQ though

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Originally Posted by Skrilla

...the VG motor wasn't much on the top end NA...just a regular engine that was (thankfully) replaced

jsmooney · 01-31-2007, 10:56 PM

I drove a 350Z before and it had power but it seemed to kinda fade once you got close to redline....i guess thats like most cars. it just seems like vtec pulls all the way to redline

wilkins226 · 02-11-2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by badassrobs

hey, my friend with a 1993 300zx non-turbo STOCK thinks its faster than my 1999 prelude.... i searched google for times on it and couldnt find anything consistent... does anyone know times for the non turbo 300z?? it seems like it should be pretty slow... 222hp/198tq but it weights 3400... any opinions?

Well did you go out and smash him yet??? I'm able to beat them cars, just like that other poster said, those things and 3000gts NA. Its sometimes close tho.

GaRn · 03-14-2007, 07:42 AM

It would be close..

SRT4's are rated at 225 or 230, there was a change in 05 or 06 to a hair more on the rating..

The thing is, they put down to the ground about as much as they are rated for at the crank. If you can't tell the difference between an SRT4 and a VTEC Prelude then you must be paralyzed lol.

There is no way you pulled two cars before he pulled back, not happenin. Pulling two cars doesnt just happen in half a second unless you are racing a 17 second POS

McLude · 03-14-2007, 01:09 PM

I have a feeling we will never know what happened...