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So far I have planned out a Jun Stage II set up with valve springs and retainers, Type S Pistons, Spoon headgasket. However, the more information I get from various people the more opinions I get from it. What have you all heard about the various stages of Jun, the power gains, the +/- of it, and how it compares to Skunk or any other brand of camshafts? Any opinions on their flywheel or any other of their parts?
I was going to do the similar setup, however I was dissmayed upon receiving this email.
Stay away from the JUN cams. First, they have been recalled. JUN USA seems to NEVER have any in stock, either. I stopped dealing their merch because they dont seem to be behind any of the Honda stuff. I recommend either staying stock or just going with Type S. Contact me and we can chat. Thanks.
O.K. that was the email I received from r&d upon asking about the jun cams. Since them I have been thinking skunk2 st.2 but I am waiting to find a legit price from a legit person. There is a groupbuy, but he has no feedback so I'm knida suspicious.
There hasn't been any feedback about anything!! Hasn't anyone else noticed this?? There have been no dynos of the crowers, the JUNs, or the Skunk2s. There is no proof anywhere that these cams make the claimed horsepower the companies are telling us. I understand the Skunk2s just came out but there's nothing else on the others. Aren't there any dynos of either of these for the H22A???
I would almost have to agree with JDM Lude, because the type s produces a mere 20hp more, however it has higher comp pistons, different valve ange job, different manifold, intake, and fuel map. All this for a trifiling 20hp Damn I think the jrsc is starting to sound like the better bang for the buck. Hmm.... let anylize this for a sec.
N/A:
Pistons, or head gasket $125-400
Manifold $ 350-800
port & polish $ 600-1000
Camshafts $ 600-750
Cam gears $ 180-220
valvespring $ 150-300
titanium ret. $ 150
labor aprox $ 1000+, or free if mechanically inclined
End result of maybe 195hp @ wheels
JRSC:
Unit price $ 3100
Labor $ 500, or free if your mechanically inclined
End result, dyno proven 220hp @ wheels
Some peeps may choose to go turbo, but in the end it is usually most expensive because of all the add ons, but you gotta love the flexibility in boost!
Originally posted by gills There hasn't been any feedback about anything!! Hasn't anyone else noticed this?? There have been no dynos of the crowers, the JUNs, or the Skunk2s. There is no proof anywhere that these cams make the claimed horsepower the companies are telling us. I understand the Skunk2s just came out but there's nothing else on the others. Aren't there any dynos of either of these for the H22A???
Very true.....Unfortunately I didn't get my car dynoed before I installed my Crower cams. But I'm waiting to get a VAFC before I go dyno tune my car. I'll probably be one of the first ones to post up a dyno of an H22A with the Crowers.
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92 Prelude Si w/ JDM H22A(Significantly modded)
14.6@95 without Crower setup
Low 14's with setup.
Originally posted by moneypit I would almost have to agree with JDM Lude, because the type s produces a mere 20hp more, however it has higher comp pistons, different valve ange job, different manifold, intake, and fuel map. All this for a trifiling 20hp Damn I think the jrsc is starting to sound like the better bang for the buck. Hmm.... let anylize this for a sec.
N/A:
Pistons, or head gasket $125-400
Manifold $ 350-800
port & polish $ 600-1000
Camshafts $ 600-750
Cam gears $ 180-220
valvespring $ 150-300
titanium ret. $ 150
labor aprox $ 1000+, or free if mechanically inclined
End result of maybe 195hp @ wheels
JRSC:
Unit price $ 3100
Labor $ 500, or free if your mechanically inclined
End result, dyno proven 220hp @ wheels
Some peeps may choose to go turbo, but in the end it is usually most expensive because of all the add ons, but you gotta love the flexibility in boost!
Very true.....Unfortunately I didn't get my car dynoed before I installed my Crower cams. But I'm waiting to get a VAFC before I go dyno tune my car. I'll probably be one of the first ones to post up a dyno of an H22A with the Crowers.
nope bdb hit 190 @ wheels with his crower stg2's he posted his dyno the other day.
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2002 Celica GT-S 6spd (current)
Has anyone else confirmed the Jun recall? I would not think of going Type S because there's not that much gains, its pretty equivalent to a Stage I or so. I had plans to go with Jun, and if not Jun I would settle for Skunk2. However, I've spoken to 3 or 4 reputable shops that I go to pretty often and I the only one I've heard from about a Jun recall is R&D...?
I have to agree w/ Girl n-a- lude about the Jun recalls. I've been doing some research and was thinking of getting the jun package myself and from what I know, there isn't any recall that I know of. I've also read some posts saying that there have been some cases where the Crower camshafts has cracked? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Jun only makes Stage III camshafts for the 5G. I've checked with many other shops and there are no Stage I or II for the 5G. My .2 cents.
you guys need to get your head out..
there is only one stage of JUN camshaft for h22.. ONLY ONE
the crower's that cracked where on the b-series cams when they first came out because they got bad working materials it was a fluke..
the skunk2's are just that SKUNK2 its not JDM or anything else super duper..
i have the crower stage 2 and they work.. the skunk2 stage's are similar to the crowers.. id get whatever is cheaper for you..
there are several crower stages also
stage 1= close a type s camshaft aka waste of money
stage 2= larger primary lobes and largers secondary lobes great
stage2 with stock primary lobes= no stalls at low speed
stage2 for turbo= increased lift less overlap-great for turbo!
stage3=hard core NA setup sounds like crap on the street heel toe wherever you go..
remeber type s from honda= waste of money
JUN= really over priced JDM cams
crower/skunk2 = your best bet but be aware there is nothing magical about skunk2 cams compared to crower cams...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but a Stage I is for street application with minor gains; Stage II is more agressive in application and more power gains than Stage I's, Stage III is for drag application and is the most agressive out of the 3 camshafts. You can also differentiate between the Stage II's and III's by the idle. The idle for a Stage III is noticably "more" rough versus a Stage II. Hopes this answers your question, peace.
Isn't a couple people, I swear I remember seeing at least one person on this board who had a Jun setup....Im gonna see what I can search up for the time being.
Originally posted by HoNdAHaXoR stage 2= larger primary lobes and largers secondary lobes great
stage2 with stock primary lobes= no stalls at low speed
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stage3=hard core NA setup sounds like crap on the street heel toe wherever you go..
so wait a sec, with the crower stage 2 (w/o stock primary lobes) you're gonna stall at idle? so normal driving w/ stage 2 and stage 3 becomes more difficult?
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I wonder how the idle is on the Jun Stage III...I need something streetable since the car is my daily driver....although its mostly local driving...makes it even worst hahah. That's why I was aiming for Stage II...can anyone else confirm that there is only one set of Cams designed for the H22?
The link that you have provided does indicate different "stages," however that was not what I was refering to. The link shows different (camshaft kits), which in turn....apparently are termed "stages" as well. The (camshaft kits) only tells you what "stage" come with what. However, Jun does make different camshafts depending on the application (street, race, drag), which are also referred to as "stages" or "types." In this case, Jun only has the (Drag) application for the H22A.
As stated before, the (stage/type III) cams are rough on idle and it sounds more like a drag than a street car. I've also looked into the Jun pistons and a "Hondata Program," but the idle will still be rough. My .2 cents.
yes stop calling them jun stage 3 cams.. THERE IS ONLY ONE STAGE CAM FOR THE H22 from jun.. as far as the crower stage 2 normal.. ya i does stall now and then when costing a to cruise nothing really bad its a now and then thing you can see coming if it does.. definately worth it if you ask me.. idle is preety if not exaclty close to normal DY101 has them in his auto with no stalls.. me, bdb, and vntperformance all have them with the occasional stall in our 5spds. stop calln them the JUN stage 3!!!
STOP.. also with crower stage 3 the ramp speeds are very agreesive meaning they fall with a great impact with evrey revolution.. which is hard on the cam and your head.. crower stage 2 OWNS YOUR ASSSSSS!
What about Skunk2 in comparison with Crower? And I think some of us refer to Jun as Stage III just because the (III) implies a drag profile, not just because its a third type of application...albeit its mainly used to imply a third version in an application, where in Jun -there appears to be only 1. Ulgh...okay...ignore that just....keep postin..its gettin late
Damn I think the jrsc is starting to sound like the better bang for the buck. Hmm.... let anylize this for a sec.
