Who here would be interested in getting DISCOUNTED Amsoil? - Honda Prelude Forum

devtec · 07-17-2003, 03:32 PM

Hey guys,

I just put Amsoil in my 5g and I love it. I'm a new fan of this stuff. Having talked to the dealer I bought from, I also have the option of now becoming a dealer myself. If I did this, I could offer you all Amsoil products at wholesale cost, about 25% less than if you buy directly from Amsoil.

Would you be interested in this? I have no trouble doing this, but it does cost $50 a year to become a dealer, so I just want to make sure there would be sufficient interest. Apparently I could make some money on this. I think as a dealer you get credits for how much you sell, and then get to keep like 2% of it depending on how much you sell.

Here are some sample prices of a typical order:

12 qts Amsoil:

$69.00 from Amsoil
$52.50 from a dealer

Amsoil SDF20 Filter for Hondas:

$11.55 from Amsoil
$8.80 from a dealer

At these prices and oil changes every 7,500 to 10,000 miles (do a search on Gerhard and Amsoil to verify), Amsoil actually ends up being less expensive than Mobil 1. Also with far superior protection (again, see Gerhards Blackstone Labs analyses to verify).

Well, please let me know your thoughts. It looks like we can all get a good deal out of this. If there's sufficient interest, I'd be happy to become an Amsoil dealer for po.com.

Thanks,
Dev

devtec · 07-17-2003, 03:35 PM

Some more details about how you would get the oil...

You can either get it through local pick up or have it shipped to you. I am lucky, and have a local warehouse about 20 miles away, so I can also pick up my stuff easily. For everone's information, all you do is place your order with a dealer with payment through paypal, and then if you have a distribution center near you, you just go pick it up, the same day you place the order. If you don't have a local dostribution center, then you have to pay for shipping. I know that for the 12 qt case I got, shipping would have been about $8. Not too bad.

If you're curious about whether local pickup is an option for you, here are all the centers:

Anchorage, AK
Mile 42 1/2 Glenn Hwy
Palmer, AK 99645 Tues - Sat
8am-5:30pm
Closed on Sun, Mon & statutory holidays 907-745-3542
FAX: 907-746-6265

Orlando, FL
3724 Silver Star Rd.
Building #3
Orlando, FL 32808 Mon, Tues, Wed, Fri
9am-5:30pm
Thur -- Noon-8:30pm
Closed on Sat, Sun & statutory holidays 407-296-4060
FAX: 407-296-8020
orlando@amsoil.com

Chicago, IL
295 Lincoln Ave
Bensenville, IL 60106 Mon, Tues, Wed, Fri
9am-5:30pm
Thur -- Noon-8:30pm
Closed on Sat, Sun & statutory holidays 630-595-8385
FAX: 630-595-4601
chicago@amsoil.com

Dallas, TX
2234 Commerce Dr
Arlington, TX 76011 Mon, Tues, Wed, Fri
9am-5:30pm
Thur -- Noon-8:30pm
Closed on Sat, Sun & statutory holidays 817-640-9923
FAX: 817-633-5160
dallas@amsoil.com

Lancaster, PA
1917 A Olde Homestead Rd
Lancaster, PA 17601 Mon, Tues, Wed, Fri
9am-5:30pm
Thur -- Noon-8:30pm
Closed on Sat, Sun & statutory holidays 717-396-0403
FAX: 717-396-0419
lancaster@amsoil.com

Las Vegas, NV
4545 N. Lamb Blvd.
Suite C
Las Vegas, NV 89115-1822 Mon, Tues, Wed, Fri
9am-5:30pm
Thur -- Noon-8:30pm
Closed on Sat, Sun & statutory holidays 702-644-2060
FAX: 702-644-2228
lasvegas@amsoil.com

Portland, OR
18379 SW Boones Ferry Rd
Building A
Portland, OR 97224 Mon, Tues, Wed, Fri
9am-5:30pm
Thur -- Noon-8:30pm
Closed on Sat, Sun & statutory holidays 503-620-5213
FAX: 503-968-2878
portland@amsoil.com

Richmond, VA
5616 Charles City Circle
Richmond, VA 23231 Mon, Tues, Wed, Fri
9am-5:30pm
Thur -- Noon-8:30pm
Closed on Sat, Sun & statutory holidays 804-222-0711
FAX: 804-236-8131
richmond@amsoil.com

Superior, WI
2206 Winter St
Superior, WI 54880
--mailing address--
AMSOIL Building
Superior, WI 54880 Mon-Fri
8am-4:30pm
Closed on Sat, Sun & statutory holidays 715-392-7101
FAX: 715-392-7252
superior@amsoil.com

Wichita, KS
3800 West 29th St.
Suite 5
Wichita, KS 67217 Mon, Tues, Wed, Fri
9am-5:30pm
Thur -- Noon-8:30pm
Closed on Sat, Sun & statutory holidays 316-943-5858
FAX: 316-943-3842
wichita@amsoil.com

So again, if people are interested, just let me know!

Dev

Daemione · 07-17-2003, 05:34 PM

I am very interested. I had planned to switch to Amsoil on my next change (within a couple weeks), and this is great news.

So count me in as a definite if you get set up . . .

Is it really only $50 to become dealer? With the amount of miles I drive, that would pay for itself without me even selling a drop . . . .

zameoj · 07-18-2003, 08:31 AM

That's what I do. I became a dealer for myself. family, and friends. Its worth it to me and I don't have to pay much shipping (pennies on the dollar) because a Direct Jobber live about 10 miles away. I don't make a lot of $$ being a dealer but I do generate some sales from my website so I don't have to do a single thing.

devtec · 07-18-2003, 11:56 AM

Given that so many people here are using Mobil 1, that Amsoil is a superior product, and that we are now aware it can be had for significantly less cost, shouldn't people be jumping all over this?

At least to me it totally makes sense to make the switch to Amsoil. And when I calculated costs, I was overjoyed that I could have my cake and eat it too!

But this doesn't seem to have drummed up any interest. And by the way Daemione, there is an even better way of getting discounts. I think you can become something called a Preffered Customer for a certain fee/yr (less than $50) and get similar discounts.

But again, why make all of us pay a fee for the discount? I'd be willing to pay the fee myself and serve as a distributor for the board, but again there's not much interest. I guess we'll give it a few more days.

fmshaw1971 · 07-18-2003, 12:41 PM

No offence, but you should probably pay to become a sponsor if you intend to distribute. It's not fair to the other sponsors on here who pay for the right to sell their products, even if none of them sell oil in particular.

Why do you have to go through a dealer who pays for the right to sell Amsoil? Why won't Amsoil just market their products to shops instead of individuals?

devtec · 07-18-2003, 01:03 PM

Well, in case it isn't obvious, I am trying to determine if there is sufficient interest for me to become a distributor of Amsoil. I do not know if I "intend" to distrubute yet. Once that determination has been made, THEN I will go through the appropriate process of becoming a sponsor on po.com.

I've read up on the history of Amsoil, and apparently when it was created 30 years ago, the decision was made that the concepts of a synthetic oil (originally based off of synthetic oils used in jet engines) and extended drain intervals would not be marketable in stores. "Synthetic" did not clearly mean superior back then as it does now. So instead the company chose to distribute their products through dealers, who supplied the product to informed individuals, commercial operations, and some retail locations. Well, it seems this strategy did turn out to be successful (afterall, Amsoil and other high grade synthetics are now widely considered to be the best), so I think the company decided to just stick with it, and remain loyal to the dealers who had helped make the company successful in the first place.

That's my understanding of it anyway. I'm not a businessperson, and I would think that mass distribution through retail chains would mean greater profits for them, but I'm not really knowledgable enough to question their strategies.

All I know is that we can all get a really good deal on an awesome product.

malken00 · 07-18-2003, 02:18 PM

Just curious, if it is superior, why does all of the racing teams use Mobil 1? I mean, these are $300k-$1Mil engines they are putting in their cars, I don't think the difference of 1 dollar for a quart of oil really means that much to them, but they still choose Mobil 1. Same with Porsche, they tell you to use Mobil 1. Everyone says use Mobil one, from the wrenchheads, to the race drivers, even people I know that are sponsored by other oil companies, such as Valvoline, Quaker State, etc, still recommend Mobil 1... odd that Amsoil is superior but all of these race teams that have people that are paid to find the most superior product end up with Mobil in the end. I'm not flaming, just trying to see how Amsoil could be superior when not many high performance places use it. What has it been tested as superior in, can you give data or point to resources to back up the testing claims? I just want to know before I tell you I'll buy a case or two of the stuff.

fmshaw1971 · 07-18-2003, 02:39 PM

As for Mobil 1, it's because Mobil Oil pays them big $$$ to slap "Mobil 1" stickers all over their car. It's all about sponsorship, really. Amsoil is a small operation that can't afford to do that. I'd put almost anything in my car if they paid me several hundred grand a year to do it.

When it's my money going into the car, I'm loyal to Motul. 300v kicks butt!

Artifex · 07-18-2003, 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by malken00
Just curious, if it is superior, why does all of the racing teams use Mobil 1? I mean, these are $300k-$1Mil engines they are putting in their cars, I don't think the difference of 1 dollar for a quart of oil really means that much to them, but they still choose Mobil 1. Same with Porsche, they tell you to use Mobil 1. Everyone says use Mobil one, from the wrenchheads, to the race drivers, even people I know that are sponsored by other oil companies, such as Valvoline, Quaker State, etc, still recommend Mobil 1... odd that Amsoil is superior but all of these race teams that have people that are paid to find the most superior product end up with Mobil in the end. I'm not flaming, just trying to see how Amsoil could be superior when not many high performance places use it. What has it been tested as superior in, can you give data or point to resources to back up the testing claims? I just want to know before I tell you I'll buy a case or two of the stuff.

That's becuase they are using race oil. race oil != street oil. Different application, different forumulation.

My results from Blackstone and the readings being done at www.bobistheoilguy.com clearly show Amsoil to be superior to Mobil 1, and my own results support that as well. This is on top of the published data stating that Mobil 1 is a Group III basestock, while Amsoil is a Group IV basestock (each company will tell you this).

I have encouraged other users of PO.com to use Blackstone for oil analysis (in order to build up data on the H22 in general), but I get the impression that no one else really cares enough to do it (which is a shame).

Suffice it to say I am never running Mobil 1 again.

devtec · 07-19-2003, 12:53 AM

Thanks Artifex, I think many people on this board will be able to corroborate this evidence.

There is also a ton of information on the web, including direct head to head comparisons of Mobil 1 and Amsoil. But if you are concerned about biased information, as I would be, then the bottom line really comes from what our own po.com users have experienced with Amsoil in Preludes.

Again, I encourage all to do searches on Amsoil under the user name of Gerhard.

prelude555 · 07-19-2003, 03:32 AM

malken has a good point on this ,why would they put mobile1 in their cars if amsoil is much better than mobile1. if i were them i would have the best oil ever been made on my car. ive been reading alot of Gerhard's posts , he has alot of good point n lab test for evidence, very convincing product. if anyone have any good point on using this product then im definitly interested in getting my hands on amsoil. mobile1 burns too much oil!! and cost too much IMO

axion68 · 07-19-2003, 07:45 AM

If it makes a difference my dad is an Amsoil dealer so I could hook anyone up who needs any amsoil product. I haven't been in their price book for a while but I could get some prices for you guys if you want.

I don't have any experience with their motor oil (4 cycle) but we do run their Series 2000 2 cycle oil in our race sleds and it is top notch. We just tore down one of our motors earlier this year after switching to amsoil and there was less wear from the previous synthetic we used before (600cc 3 cylinder spinning 9600 rpm, and runs 10.6's in the 1/4 mile). Just from a 2 cycle perspective amsoil is one of the best oils out there.

Wraith · 10-24-2003, 12:16 AM

I'm interested depending upon shipping costs. I have a dealer here that I go to but I just bought 4 gallons of 5W30. I'm looking for some 0W30. Let me know what it'll cost after shipping for a gallon and I'll see if it's worth it. Thanks.

axion68 · 10-24-2003, 01:43 AM

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Originally posted by Wraith
I'm interested depending upon shipping costs. I have a dealer here that I go to but I just bought 4 gallons of 5W30. I'm looking for some 0W30. Let me know what it'll cost after shipping for a gallon and I'll see if it's worth it. Thanks.

What series would you be interested in?

Gerhard · 10-24-2003, 09:36 AM

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Originally posted by malken00
Just curious, if it is superior, why does all of the racing teams use Mobil 1? I mean, these are $300k-$1Mil engines they are putting in their cars, I don't think the difference of 1 dollar for a quart of oil really means that much to them, but they still choose Mobil 1. Same with Porsche, they tell you to use Mobil 1. Everyone says use Mobil one, from the wrenchheads, to the race drivers, even people I know that are sponsored by other oil companies, such as Valvoline, Quaker State, etc, still recommend Mobil 1... odd that Amsoil is superior but all of these race teams that have people that are paid to find the most superior product end up with Mobil in the end. I'm not flaming, just trying to see how Amsoil could be superior when not many high performance places use it. What has it been tested as superior in, can you give data or point to resources to back up the testing claims? I just want to know before I tell you I'll buy a case or two of the stuff.

Because it doesn't matter when you are running the engine for a race and then tearing it down for a rebuild. Any synthetic oil is going to do quite well on the track by comparison to a dino based lubricant.

AMSOIL uses a completely true synthetic base stock for all parts of it's oils.

An oil comprises two distinct parts:

1) Bases stocks - used to make the oil itself.

2) Additives - used to do things like prevent foaming, reduce ash, prevent metal binding, etc.

Group I - III basestocks are normally refined crude oil based lubricants. During the refining process the specific oil (naturely occuring molecules) are removed to get the libricant being saught.

Group IV-V basestocks are synthesized molecules that do not occur naturely.

Mobil 1 had been using Group III hydrotreated / hydrocracked based stock as the carrier oil for it's additives package.

What this means is that Mobil uses a non-synthetic oil to disolve it's additives into. They use MORE that is required. (In otherwords the oil is not a saturated solution.)

They then add the additives to the truely backstocks and get their Mobil 1 motor oils. They then claim that they've got a completely synthetic oil.

They can do this for two reasons:

1) The additives are not considered the base oil, so they are not lying per se.

2) Due to a legal loop hope the process of cleaning up cude oil based group III basestocks can be technically called synthetsizing a new product. (Even though it containly most of the characteristics of the regular everyday motor oil it is.)

However, Mobil 1 can not masks it's chemical properties:

Mobil did not always do the above with the group III basestock.

When Mobil 1 went to the "Tri-Synthetic" formula the cold flow characteristics when up 10 degrees F! I can prove this because I read the back of the two 10w30 bottles (the old one and the new one).

Fact 1: Mobil 1 does not flow as well in cold enviroments as say RedLine or AMSOIL. 10F is a big difference.

Fact 2: The same reason that it doesn't flow as well in cold temperatures (having Group III basestock from the additive package) also causes it to BURN more than RedLine or AMSOIL (by about 5% more volitility).

Fact 3: Mobil 1 does not have as good a coefficient of friction as either RedLine or AMSOIL. Again, due to the Group III basestock in it.

Hands on testing:

AMSOIL does not break down as quickly in my car as does Mobil 1. I've been sending out used oil to the labs. The additives in the AMSOIL seems to last longer at 7500 miles intervals than do the Mobil 1's.

Does this mean the difference is really large between the two? Not really.

But... they are real.

I burn about 3 qts of Mobil 1 between 7500 mile oil changes.

I burn about 2 qts of AMSOIL of the same weight in 7500 miles.

Daemione · 10-24-2003, 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by Gerhard
I burn about 3 qts of Mobil 1 between 7500 mile oil changes.

I burn about 2 qts of AMSOIL of the same weight in 7500 miles.

This about matches my findings with the two different oils.

FWIW, ordering straight from AMSoil is really pretty reasonable. Just get a preferred membership for like $20 & you get the same prices as a dealer. And shipping is totally reasonable as well - I just ordered 2 gallons of 10w30, and shipping was $8. The entire order worked out to roughly $5.50 a quart. It's a little more if you buy it in quart containers - gallons save some money.

Gerhard · 10-24-2003, 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by Daemione

This about matches my findings with the two different oils.

FWIW, ordering straight from AMSoil is really pretty reasonable. Just get a preferred membership for like $20 & you get the same prices as a dealer. And shipping is totally reasonable as well - I just ordered 2 gallons of 10w30, and shipping was $8. The entire order worked out to roughly $5.50 a quart. It's a little more if you buy it in quart containers - gallons save some money.

What I've done is joined the Maxima.org web site and one of the dealers there gives memebers AMSOIL at dealer cost.

I've also found the drop shipment pricing to be quite reasonable.

Gerhard

bleacht · 10-24-2003, 04:46 PM

i'd be interested as well. if someone could get a price of 12 quarts of 10W30 and filter, that'd be awesome!

PRelude787 · 10-24-2003, 06:05 PM

I'm due for an oil change in a couple hundred miles....I'm gonna put the rest of the Mobil 1 crap I have in there for my next oil change.....prolly do it in 3k. Then I'll definitely buy some AMSOIL from whoever the po.com dealer ends up being!

I too am tired of burning 3 quarts of oil every 7500 miles.....time to switch!!!