What DO Honda owners owe to prelude owners? - Honda Prelude Forum

blackomega · 05-20-2002, 10:58 PM

besides atts, what else?

wasnt the prelude their testing platform?

5Gen_Prelude · 05-20-2002, 11:02 PM

Just guessing - someone will fix all my mistakes:

SS - or was that in the NSX? At any rate, first as a 4 banger
4ws - no other vehicle used it though
first 4 banger VTEC engine?
First to have 16" wheels

I'm coming up blank...

blackomega · 05-20-2002, 11:05 PM

what does 4ws stand for? 4 wheel steering?

5Gen_Prelude · 05-20-2002, 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by blackomega
what does 4ws stand for? 4 wheel steering?

yup

Jacques · 05-20-2002, 11:09 PM

Double wishbone suspension.

VTECForever · 05-20-2002, 11:11 PM

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Originally posted by 5Gen_Prelude
Just guessing - someone will fix all my mistakes:

SS - or was that in the NSX? At any rate, first as a 4 banger
4ws - no other vehicle used it though
first 4 banger VTEC engine?
First to have 16" wheels

I'm coming up blank...

Isn't there a new SUV that uses 4ws? The Denali?

blackomega · 05-20-2002, 11:13 PM

yeah, GM is putting it as an option on their trucks/SUV's

what generation prelude had the 4ws?

Jacques · 05-20-2002, 11:19 PM

After thinking about it a minute (and some research), here goes. The Prelude was the first car to have...
-double wishbone suspension (2nd gen)
-3-valve head (2nd gen)
-aluminum cylinder block (3rd gen)
-full double wishbone independent suspension (3rd gen)
-mechanical 4-wheel steering (3rd gen)
-hydraulic 4-wheel steering (4th gen)
-ATTS...Active Torque Transfer System (5th gen)

VTEC was introduced first in the NSX, then the '92 Civic, before it came to the Prelude. Also, the first generation Prelude was nicknamed the "Quaalude" because it wasn't a very fast sporty car...say, 0-60 in 11 seconds?

qualude98sh · 05-20-2002, 11:22 PM

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Originally posted by blackomega
besides atts, what else?

wasnt the prelude their testing platform?

r-e-s-p-e-c-t........

5Gen_Prelude · 05-20-2002, 11:26 PM

A number of vehicles used 4ws back in the day, 3000GT VR4 for one. But only one that I know of in Honda/Acura land.

As for the Civic - I'll change my answer to first DOHC VTEC 4 banger

Jacques · 05-20-2002, 11:30 PM

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Originally posted by 5Gen_Prelude
As for the Civic - I'll change my answer to first DOHC VTEC 4 banger

That'll work...it was the Prelude that REALLY made the VTEC a household name.

05-21-2002, 12:23 AM

one of the most bad assed looking cars out there ....

although an S2k is damn nice too.

ShadowSonic · 05-21-2002, 05:06 AM

I always wished Prelude would be like the mustang of ford, every car below it, a.k.a becoming a RR drive car wow it would be great. with 320hp honda would attract kids from all over.

marcucci · 05-21-2002, 06:07 AM

Not to be a dick, but...

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Originally posted by Jacques

-double wishbone suspension (2nd gen)

I can't believe this. I simply can't. There have been many, many sports cars prior to the Prelude. If nothing else, Carroll Shelby had it on the Cobra, and it was technically a production vehicle. I'm even doubtful that this is a first for Honda.

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-3-valve head (2nd gen)

Again, I'm pretty sure this is not true.

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-aluminum cylinder block (3rd gen)

Are you sure the 2nd gen didn't have it? Again, The Shelby Cobra used an aluminum 427.

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-full double wishbone independent suspension (3rd gen)

...Cobra. Not sure who else.

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-mechanical 4-wheel steering (3rd gen)

Honda never claimed to be the first. They did claim to be the first in the US. Mazda actually got out their system on the 626 in Japan before Honda got a system out. They also started development earlier.

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-hydraulic 4-wheel steering (4th gen)

The 4th gen's was electric! There were no more hydraulics than what were in the non-4WS model. I'm not even sure it was the first fully electronic steer system. I'm not sure if the HICAS or Mazda systems were fully electronic or not at that point.

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VTEC was introduced first in the NSX, then the '92 Civic, before it came to the Prelude. Also, the first generation Prelude was nicknamed the "Quaalude" because it wasn't a very fast sporty car...say, 0-60 in 11 seconds?

Look at what it competed with, though. And it was basically a 2-door Accord, sharing the same motor.

As for VTEC, what you said is right for the US, it came in the NSX in '91. The NSX was out in Japan in '90, though, and they actually put VTEC in a CRX or a Civic (I forget) in '89.

Other firsts:
- FRM cylinder liner
- True land-speed-dependent variable assist power steering

98 San Marino SH · 05-21-2002, 08:41 AM

wasnt the integra GSR the first to have a 4 banger VTEC??

JRSClude · 05-21-2002, 08:48 AM

the prelude is the a car that every civic and gsr on the road wants to be.

JRAMONE · 05-21-2002, 09:33 AM

so do you guys think there'll be a 6th gen.prelude soon?

Jacques · 05-21-2002, 09:54 AM

marcucci, the three sources I had got the info from were from Car & Driver, Sport Compact Car, and Motor Trend.

I couldn't find anywhere about another car maker claiming to have made a 3-cylinder head at that time period. The double wishbone suspension for the 2nd gen had a derivative of the McPhersons in the rear (can't remember the name). The Cobra had double wishbone back then? Also, I thought the 2nd gen had a cast-iron block...I guess I should've inspected my friend's 2nd gen when it was in pieces all those years ago.

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Other firsts:
- FRM cylinder liner
- True land-speed-dependent variable assist power steering

When did those come about? BTW, you're not being a dick. Someone's gotta correct my sources from time to time...might as well be you, Billy, or someone else.

HoNdAHaXoR · 05-21-2002, 12:04 PM

the topic is what do HONDA owners owe to the prelude..
meaning honda technology refined on the prelude..

marcucci · 05-21-2002, 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by Jacques
marcucci, the three sources I had got the info from were from Car & Driver, Sport Compact Car, and Motor Trend.

I've seen each of those to be inaccurate, SCC to be grossly so (though less so now than a few years ago). I can't remember if it was MT or C&D that said it, but one back in '87 said that the '88 4WS was the first production vehicle with 4WS. That's just flat wrong. There were many- just none in the US. They should have said that, but they clearly did not.

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I couldn't find anywhere about another car maker claiming to have made a 3-cylinder head at that time period.

Doesn't mean they didn't. I have the Motor Trend when the 12-valve was introduced, I can check that article. Then again, they might be wrong!

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When did those come about?

FRM was first available on the '90 Prelude Si. Come to think of it... if the NSX had it, I think it would have been first, technically. Or at least at the same time.

The speed-based power assist was an option on the '80 Prelude, it came with the automatic. I'm not sure when, but at some point in the 1st gen's history it was standard equipment.