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Old 11-25-2005, 10:17 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Mugen Vs Fake... The face off....

Not sure if I posted this here or not.... But it came up in a different thread so I though I'd share...

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Okay, as all of you know I got the Mugen sides and rears in today... This is going to be another long post with lots of pics... Bear with me.

The reason I'm doing this is because I could not find a good comparison between a fake Mugen and a real mugen kit online and really wasn't sure if what they were charging was just for the name or if it really stood for quality. Well by the pictures below, I think you'll see it's for quality.

I accept the fact that the kit I'm comparing it to a kit that has a fair share of road rash and ware... But the basic comparison still flies if you can look past the dirt.

Let's start with the rears...

Here is a basic comparison of the two... The Mugen is much cleaner in every aspect. The edges, the holes and the over all finish (which is hard to see in the photos)


Nowthe mounting holes (pre drilled and counter sunk for the provided hardware on the Mugen) Hacked up on the fakes.




Noew the edge finish. The Fakes are uneven as hell. The mugens are clean and have no variation in thickness. This means a ton on a white car as the gaps REALLY show.



This one is a little un fair, but none the less is clear... The drain holes...



There’s more on the rears, but I'm sure this is boring enough...

Now the Sides...
You Can see how wobbly the leading edge of the fakes are compared to the Mugen. I't a knife edge. Not to mention the fact the previous owner had so much trouble with the return that he just cut it off... or maybe it wasn't even there...



Mounting holes for factory points? Mugen yes... fakes no...




This is an important one... Where the lip of the sides wraps the door sill. The previous owner of the fakes had to hack the fake kit down just to get it to fit... Leaving cut marks all the hell over the place... The Mugens are formed to adhere to the curve of the door opening...





That's about it out of the box. I'll post more picks as the get installed.

I really hope this is not coming off the wrong way, I'm not saying that all fakes are crap. I'm merely trying to point out that you get what you pay for with this. I've heard people call it "designer fiberglass" (no names Chris... oops!) or say that it's just a huge mark up on the name. Well this is not Sony mark up... This kit is, so far, worth every penny. On darker cars it does not make too much of a difference, but with the white paint of the prelude these imperfections are not only very noticeable, but they make applying the kit a pain in the a$$.

There currently appears that there is going to be no fitting of this kit at all. They fit perfectly. I have held up the rears, perfect, I have held up the sides, perfect. They come with all the hardware required for mounting (fake kits may too when they are new too, I really don't know)
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nice comparison. wish i had the $$ for the real deal.
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I do also want to add that when these were put on.. there was no hassle with the fitting... So if by chance anyone is going to buy a replica kit and have them installed by a body shop the labor to install them will be higher... Again making the real Mugen kit more affordable. Also when/if I sell these they will retain some value because they are authentic... I kept the boxes and all shipping materials... again, making them more affordable in the long run...
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thats not true of all replicas. My VIS racing replica was far superior to that knock-off. Yes, its not as nice as the mugen, but by no means is it nearly as bad as the ebay knock-offs.
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thats not true of all replicas. My VIS racing replica was far superior to that knock-off. Yes, its not as nice as the mugen, but by no means is it nearly as bad as the VIS racing version.
I don't really know what you are saying here... But I think I agree...

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I really hope this is not coming off the wrong way, I'm not saying that all fakes are crap. I'm merely trying to point out that you get what you pay for with this. I've heard people call it "designer fiberglass" (no names Chris... oops!) or say that it's just a huge mark up on the name. Well this is not Sony mark up... This kit is, so far, worth every penny. On darker cars it does not make too much of a difference, but with the white paint of the prelude these imperfections are not only very noticeable, but they make applying the kit a pain in the a$$.
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"holier than thou" on the mugen crowd already? jesus. what is the point of this?
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"holier than thou" on the mugen crowd already? jesus. what is the point of this?
What?

By no means do I think that I am better than anyone because I have this. While I was trying to decide whether or not to spend the cash on it, I was looking for a comparison, but could not find one... So I made my own after I got them...

The point is to let people know what the difference is or can be between a replica and the real kit... your kinda slow, huh?
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I love comparsion threads and I find them plenty helpful. I'm sure a ton of people would like to know the difference but the fact is that there aren't too many people who have a real Mugen body parts/pieces. And for the few that do, haven't taken the time to take pictures and document the differences between real and replica. I don't think Clark (aka Truckload) is posting a "I'm better than you" thread so there is no need for 'hating' those who are willing to share information...

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I love comparsion threads and I find them plenty helpful. I'm sure a ton of people would like to know the difference but the fact is that there aren't too many people who have a real Mugen body parts/pieces. And for the few that do, haven't taken the time to take pictures and document the differences between real and replica. I don't think Clark (aka Truckload) is posting a "I'm better than you" thread so there is no need for 'hating' those who are willing to share information...

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did you get the front bumper? would be interested in comparison pics of that.
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where do you guys think the fakers get the mold from?



when my kit is done in a week-ish I'll post up my "crappy fake mugen" for everyone to gawk at..
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I love comparsion threads and I find them plenty helpful. I'm sure a ton of people would like to know the difference but the fact is that there aren't too many people who have a real Mugen body parts/pieces. And for the few that do, haven't taken the time to take pictures and document the differences between real and replica. I don't think Clark (aka Truckload) is posting a "I'm better than you" thread so there is no need for 'hating' those who are willing to share information...

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Ya, this was very helpful. Although Im still goin VIS fake, $$$. I would like to eventually go to the real thing.

Thank you for the comparison.
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where do you guys think the fakers get the mold from?



when my kit is done in a week-ish I'll post up my "crappy fake mugen" for everyone to gawk at..
Hand laid fiberglass (more than likely what Mugen utilizes) vs "fakers" a mold off a mold of the original. There really is no comparison between the two. Your attitude is rediculous as no one here is tooting their horn. It's a fair comparison between the two. Handlaid fiberglass is almost always going to be better than moldings, especially ones that are molds off molds which the how the replicas are done.
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did you get the front bumper? would be interested in comparison pics of that.
No, he just got the front lip... He actually posted the same post awhile ago on the STLPC board...













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OK. Who has a VIS knock off put on? I would love to know how difficult or how much labour costs were involved. I know that it will be higher, but I want to know peoples attitudes towards the VIS kit who own them.
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dustin mines getting installed on monday so I'll have pics and info up on 306. it's 1300 bucks (cdn) from bridge city here and they are REALLY experienced and good with kits.
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when my kit is done in a week-ish I'll post up my "crappy fake mugen" for everyone to gawk at..

man whats the problem, he said repeatedly he was not bad mouthing the knock off, just making a side by side comparisson because none were readily available that he knew of...... Its just to allow people to justify if they want to spend the extra money for the edge on quality.
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Nice comparison- sticky material IMO
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I'm not going to stick it but I'll probably FAQ it
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Thanks for all the good comments here guys!

By the way, I have a set of replica Mugen sides and rears for sale if anybody wants em!
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