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Old 05-09-2001, 03:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Mugen header and exhaust install pics (Long! Graphics intensive.)

Out of all my modifications, the one I really wanted to get on the most was my Koni's and SuperH's in time for the Pocono Track day... Well things did not work out, but I did manage to get my header and cat-back exhaust on.

I found a nice deal on www.thepartstrader.com for a Mugen header and exhuast a few months ago. I was initially just going to buy the exhaust from the guy, but at the last minute, I caved and bought the header too... At first, I kinda regretted spending all that money all at once, but now I'm glad I got both.

They are used, and the guy who sold them to me had a bunch of stuff that he sent with them, like used gaskets and mounting brackets and some stuff that I still don't know what it's for... I wanted to use all new gaskets to avoid possible leaks. Special thanks to James Chan for the info he gave me on the gaskets. If anyone cares, here's what I used:
1 new stock Honda exhaust manifold gasket
2 new stock Honda o-ring gaskets between the exhaust manifold and A-pipe
1 metal ring gasket on the A-pipe to cat that looked brand new that the seller had included (this is not the same as stock)
1 new stock Honda o-ring gasket on the cat to B-pipe
1 new generic 2.25" composite o-ring from Pep-Boys - seemed to fit pretty good...

Fitment of the piping was flawless. Every flange and hanger matched up perfectly. The heat shield around the cat was too small to accomodate the larger flanges of the Mugen A-pipe and B-pipe. We had to trim about 3/4" off of each end of the cat heat shield. My friend did the cutting and it looks beautiful... You can't even tell it's been modified.



As you can see we had some issues with the placement of the primary O2 sensor bung on the King Motorsports-modified A-pipe... On the stock pipe, the hole for this O2 sensor comes out of the side at 3 o'clock - keeping the wiring out of the way of just about everything. But the O2 bung King added came almost straight up out of the top. The O2 sensor fits OK, but now its wiring comes in contact with the steering rack assembly. I was afraid that over time, it might rub through the O2 sensor wiring, so I wrapped the wiring with several layers of a high-temp Teflon tape to try to prevent this. (If anyone has any ideas to better protect this O2 wire, please let me know...)



The only other issue I had was some rubbing and grinding that was only showing up when the exhaust was heated up. There was contact in two areas. One was the axel-back flange rubbing on the corner of heat shield just in front of the rear wheel well. That was easy to fix. That heat shield bends really easily. The right corner of the flange in the pic was contacting the shield. So I just bent the one corner out a little with pliers...



The other spot that was rubbing was actually part of the unit body behind the rear bumper. This had to be bent out of the way a little too, but the metal is *much* stiffer here and difficult to get at without removing the canister. I did a half-assed job in hammering, prying, and bending it. But it does not rub anymore. I need to go back in there and put some paint over the area soon, because I stripped a good deal of the factory coat off with my body work. You can see my handiwork right above the canister hanger in the pic...



I have no other performance mods other than the Mugen header and cat-back now. And I can feel the combo making a pretty big difference already. I wish I had had the time to put on my AEM CAI too this weekend. The motor really sounds starved for air now. The stock air intake with resonator and all now makes a wicked sucking/air-induction sound at WOT... I think the CAI will make another huge difference once I get it put on... As it stands now, the car feels much better in the mid-range through the top-end. At the top-end, the motor feels more willing to rev than it ever did before. And if nothing else, my car *sounds* alot faster now...

The sound is different than I thought it would be. It has a nice deep tone. But maybe I'm just getting too old, but I actually think it is a little loud for my taste. It's not loud at all when you first start the car and drive for a while, but after a good deal of driving on a warm day, it gets noticably louder as it gets hot. It sounds great when the exhaust is still cold (before you drive for about 30min or so.) The low-end (1000-3400rpm) is as quiet as stock, but with a nice deeper tone. The top end (5500-7500rpm) actually sounds only a little louder than stock to me too, but again with a deeper tone. Where the sound is most noticable to me is in the mid-range (3400-5500rpm). The exhaust seems to really resonate in this range - especially when you are getting on and off the throttle in gear like if you are cruising in traffic or stopping and starting a lot. The problem is after it warms up. It's really a pretty irritating sound to me when the exhaust is hot. It resonates loudly even if I just accelerate very gingerly.

Do you think it could be an exhaust leak that only apppears when the exhaust warms up and expands? Again, it only gets really loud after a good 30-45min of driving... Wierd...

Andrew

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Old 05-09-2001, 03:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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More gratuitous pics...


Hi there.


They ain't too pretty anymore, but they get the job done.


Replaced everthing but the cat with wholesome Mugen goodness!

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This info will be helpful when I get my Mugen exhaust and header. I am hoping to get them pretty soon.
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NICE!

You're the lucky one for sure! Two part Mugen quality, but you didn't have to spend $2000! Funny about the O2 sensor, on mine it comes more out the side, King must've changed the position at some point. I'm going to have to cut the cat heat shield too, stupid I didn't think of that, right now I just don't have the bottom half attached.
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All I can say is, wow the bottom of your car is really clean.

Looks good. I cut my cat heat shield too but yours looks a little better. I ran out of cutting wheels for my dremmel about 7/8ths of the way through the heat shield so I had to hack the rest off with some tin snips.

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Cool, you'll grow to love that setup, I know I do. It's funny, my exhaust rubbed on the same two places also.

How much did you pay for them used?
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Andrew, so THIS is the secret that you've been holding out on me ! Like everyone else that has the Mugen, I've got rubbing problems with the heat shield on the same spots. I may just have to do some bending and hammering too, if I have time .

I had problems with the O2 sensor, but in my case, it went out. Inlinefour and I were careful about not touching it, but regardless, my warranty took care of it .

Put that AEM on, you bum! It only takes 1/2 hour to an hour. The part that took the longest was removing the resonator. I ended up removing the front wheel, and squeezing the resonator through the wheel well. Once you have it on, you'll love the sound AND the power at WOT !
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Do you have to have a gasket for the b-pipe to the muffler? I got mine used as well. Sometimes i get this whistling sound after driving a bit. Also I sometimes get a rattling noise where the exhaust is hitting the exhaust track shields. Any other mugen owners have this???
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aem cai...

One thing to note..if you think the header/exhaust is loud now....the CAI may not fit your tastes. I have a similar setup and this setup is pretty loud at wot. I personally don't mind, but if the current noise level in your case is alittle annoying, watch out.
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To me, the noise level is just fine. Though not as quiet as the APEX'i WS, It is quiet by aftermarket exhaust standards. Once the car is warmed up, it gives a beautiful, deep sound. Less noticable in normal driving, more noticable in "spirited" driving .
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I'm getting more accustomed to the sound and more appreciative of it too I'm also learning how to modulate the throttle to keep the exhaust more subdued while just driving around town.

Jacques: Yeah, I know it won't take too long to put on the CAI, but I want to do it right. I want to dremel out the hole through the fender cleanly and sand and repaint the metal with Rustoleum. I'd have to let it dry at least overnight if I did that, and I just didn't have time to do that and re-assemble my car in the morning before work...

SteveV: I got the header and exhaust shipped to me for less than $1250. Additional new Honda gaskets and parts were about another $50.

Lude2k: You should definitely have an o-ring gasket between the B-pipe and axel-back sections of the exhaust. I got a generic 2.25" gasket at Pep Boys. The guy who had the exhasut before me had the wrong kinda gasket in there. I could tell he had a really bad exhaust leak because the flanges between those 2 sections were blackened with soot.

Muncher: I was actually thinking that the intake might quiet the exhaust down a little, or at least drown it out. I think the exhaust is loudest when I suddenly open of the throttle and also under engine braking. I think the intake might actually help quiet the exhaust in this area by getting more air in there for a cleaner burn and less burbling and backfiring. As it is now, the stock intake air box with resonator on and all is now making quite a racket with the addition of the header and exhaust...

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Jacques: Yeah, I know it won't take too long to put on the CAI, but I want to do it right. I want to dremel out the hole through the fender cleanly and sand and repaint the metal with Rustoleum. I'd have to let it dry at least overnight if I did that, and I just didn't have time to do that and re-assemble my car in the morning before work...

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Why don't you just bend the hole downwards with strong needle nose pliers? After bending it to the right size, use door edge guard strips (at any auto parts store) to line the edge of the hole. This way, it will act as both cushioning as well as preventing the metal from scratching up the CAI. I've had mine since October, and there are no scratches with mine.
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Great info here. If the pics are still available, I'd like to see them. Thanks!
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