12.3:1 compression is confirmed. Yes on pump gas(92 octane to be exact).
265hp@the wheels
190 lb-ft @6800RPM
8200 Redline
All this on a 94 or 95 JDM H22 that made about 180hp@wheels(I think he meant 170, but whatever) before JUN package.
Guess when it's supposed to be out???
JUNe! duh!
W/tat high of a compression will that be okay guys? also if i'm running jackson charger on this will it be okay too. Wat about detonation problem, will it be street legal, i got to do smog test u know dallas **** man.
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dragazn: W/tat high of a compression will that be okay guys? also if i'm running jackson charger on this will it be okay too. Wat about detonation problem, will it be street legal, i got to do smog test u know dallas **** man. </font>
Forget nitwit Oscar Jackson, I want this. Or some of it. I wonder if it's only sold as a package? Or if you can just get the valvetrain?
Dragazn- with 12:3 comp. ratio, the JRSC would burn holes straight through the pistons, but with lower comp. ratio, that could be a seriously mean engine (stres could, could be problems too).
Yeah, the guy told me that they can work package deals however you want. I can hardly believe that the JUN package can make more power than 6 psi of supercharged boost.
I'm a little confused by some of the discussions that have gone on over this product. First, everyone gets all excited about a quote of a high hp number (from a FULLY built car)... which never turns out to be true... Then, most of the people want to purchase part of the package, not the whole thing. I hear all these people grumbling about the expense of something like a supercharger... I have serious doubts that more than 5 non-racing people in the entire country would seriously consider a JUN product given their extreme prices and labor on top of that.
If their product turns out to be this good then they certainly won't need all of this cheerleading. The speculation in the mean time is just that.... speculation.
Baked- Considering the higher hp levels, the better reliability of no FI, and JUN's reputation, this new package really is a big deal. Even if you just get the cams/ret/sprgs, they say about +30hp if you already have i/h/e.
If you doubt the quality of JUN, go to some civic/integra BBS's and ask them about their stuff for B-series engines.
Geez people, right now this stuff is vaporware. Don't believe anything until someone installs it on their 5Gen, and dynos it.
If you are going to buy it, it's best to buy it as a full package. No single part will work to its fullest potential unless it is used in conjunction with the parts they were designed to be used with.
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no doubt 71dsp, you won't see the full potential w/o all of the parts, but atleast this way you can get parts one at a time, and I know it is best not to do that as far as installation costs go, but you can't go out and buy 2 psi of the JRSC at a time. Sure I'll wait to see an independant dyno before I buy, whatever I do end up buying, but even if the peak is only 240hp@wheels I will be impressed.
I stand my ground that a custom kit, designed with specific goals in mind is always the best route. It might cost more, but it will help you get the absolute best power out of your engine.
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Some people might not want to bother going the whole way, or might not have the money. If the valvetrain is comparible in price to Type S stuff, and possibly a bit better performing, that's about all I forsee myself wanting in the near future. I don't think I'd need 265 whp (whether or not it gets that).
Exactly - Vaporware! Still interesting though. FYI - I wouldn't take what JUN tells you on the phone literally. I've called there a few tims just plain out of curiosity. Every time I get a different answer regarding specs, what's included, dyno numbers and when it will ship.
I'm sure it will be a quality kit WHEN it comes out. All motor idea is pretty sweet, but 92 octane still worries me - they claim the ECU will take care of detonation... For anyone who does buy it, you ought to seriously consider a J&S Ultra as a safety measure along with a few other things...
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by IXLR8:
For anyone who does buy it, you ought to seriously consider a J&S Ultra as a safety measure along with a few other things...</font>
I asked about the J&S also, and he told me it was unnecesary, but if I win the lottery between now and then I'd get one too just to be safe.
This all seems a little skeptical too me as well. That is a high CR. How many people are going to put over a hundred miles a day on these fully built monsters, if the numbers are anywhere an indication of how crazy this thing will be? Someone get it and dyno it, then I will become a believer.
Aren't all of the parts put together to work as a team? I'm sure if you started mixing and matching parts the numbers will fall way down.
If you ask a lot of the "B" series guys, most will claim that the advertised JUN hp claims are not what people have been getting. I dyno tuned some JUN Stage 3 cams on a b18c, and the gains were not very impressive. Of course, this was one instance.
It is interesting to note that the JUN type-R in Max Power magazine who was making 261 to the crank would never produce his dyno sheet. He was asked many times on the honda-tech board, but he never produced it. It was a full crate motor from JUN that was shipped over here.
Well, just like the JRSC (which is less "vaporware", but...), until someone has them on their car, and has it dynoed or something, I need OBJECTIVE proof before I decide to spend thousands of dollars on this mod.
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While I may not seriously doubt that JUN's CAR made 265 to the wheels, I bet you your's won't. Reason- it is not just the parts that get that kind of power. Their car has an extensive list of "other" high priced mods to go along with it IN ADDITION TO internal balancing, porting and polishing, tuning, yatta yatta yatta. I think that 240 to the wheels with their parts is reasonable if you get the whole package including pistons- and provided you get it somewhat tuned and have the other basic AM stuff too(like I/H/E). JUN's car is like the extreme of what you COULD get from their kit, but I doubt you will see a guarantee on the package like("if you don't get at least 260 HP to the wheels, we'll give you your money back")- which BTW wouldn't be practical after installation and tuning either considering the labor of removal. Anyway the message here is that the grass is always greener in the month of "JUN". No thanks- I would rather have fun boosting. Cost is about the same anyway so it comes down to personal driving preference. Have fun and choose WISELY(not blindly).
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by jacques: Well, just like the JRSC (which is less "vaporware", but...), until someone has them on their car, and has it dynoed or something, I need OBJECTIVE proof before I decide to spend thousands of dollars on this mod. </font>
This is basically all I was saying. Remember all the time we wasted speculating over the 240whp JRSC? That became a waste of time as soon as the 220whp *rumor* came down the pipe. I'm not dismissing anything... I'm simply saying that any conversation now is premature.
has neone call them and ask them about the 5TH GEN issue ???
i'm proetty sure that thre is at least as much 5th gen owner who would like some part of that kits and would really like to have the ECU to go with the cams ;p
The 5Gen intake manifold is VERY restrictive, I don't even know if it will flow good enough for 225+ whp NA, no matter what kind of exhaust, cams, header, etc. are used. I just don't see how anyone can get 200+ whp with no head or intake manifold work.
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