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Old 10-27-2004, 08:16 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hondabond substitute?

Hi,

Hondabond from the dealer here costs $11. I was wondering if there's anything at Kragen which is the exact same thing for cheaper. Or maybe there's a place online to get Hondabody for cheaper than the local dealer? Where did you guys get yours?
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Hondabond = Permatex Ultra Grey RTV Gasket Maker.

http://www.permatex.com/auto/autouh....&item_no=82194

They are the exact same thing, both made by Permatex. Honda rebrands it and marks it up 100%. You should find the Permatex-branded version at any autoparts store.

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Sure about that?

Permatex copper (orange stuff) works fine as well, just more obvious.
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Old 10-27-2004, 09:07 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I got my hondabond online for 8 bucks, but to defray the cost of shipping you should be buying something else with it like a new valvecover gasket, etc.
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Old 10-27-2004, 09:42 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Hmm... are yall talking about the hondabond HT, which is thicker. or the stringy sloppy normal hondabond. I prefer using HT cuz it doesnt make as much of a mess....
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I didn't know there was a difference... I'm talking about the light gray stuff that comes in the black tube that you use with say... a valve cover gasket. It seems thick to me, but I don't know if that's the HT version.
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Hondabond = Permatex Ultra Grey RTV Gasket Maker.

http://www.permatex.com/auto/autouh....&item_no=82194

They are the exact same thing, both made by Permatex. Honda rebrands it and marks it up 100%. You should find the Permatex-branded version at any autoparts store.

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THANK YOU. I was trying to figure this out on the weekend. This site has a very handty product chart for applications (that made me realize I shouldn't have used the blue on my dad's 69 firebird thermostat housing ). Grey is what I need to pick up...... and a majority of the work I do. I was going to find some Hondabond.
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Dunno about ultra grey being the same stuff as hondabond HT... they have very different consistencies, and the hondabond is a bit easier to clean in general.
I am sure they are interchangable, but the hondabond ht is easier to work with.

Hondabond HT on left, Permatex Ultra Grey on right.
The hondabond is much lighter in color, much less goopy, and easier to 'sculpt' into smooth layers, and remove excess without being messy.
Hondabond may be made by Permatex (is labeled packaged in USA), but it is not the same as Ultra Grey.

They should both work, but working with Hondabond HT is a lot easier, and gets better (neater) results for me every time.
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yea the non-HT is a bish to work with. What might be the Permatex equivalent for HT?
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Man... I just went and bought the Ultra Gray too... Is it that much worse to work with compared to Hondabond? Or in all honesty, the difference not that much?
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The HT is like... toothpaste, stays in one place. The normal Hondabond is stringy and gooey. You squeeze that isht out and it oozes all over the place and drips left and right.
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Old 10-28-2004, 10:54 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Looks like I'll be returning that to Kragen tomorrow...
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OR, you could just open the package and see if it's the same as HT
We'd be really thankful
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OR, you could just open the package and see if it's the same as HT
We'd be really thankful


Did you see my post?
That picture was the result of me going out to the garage in the middle of the night, squeezing out some of each RTV, and taking a digital photo.
I guess I wasted $1.00 worth of Hondabond HT for nothing!

I forgot to toss that card last night, and here I am looking at it, all cured.
The hondabond is significantly lighter in color than the Ultra Gray, still.
My digicam is crap but PO forums have the right text colors.
HONDABOND HT PERMATEX ULTRA GRAY

Poking at it, the Hondabond is more flexible (springier) while the Permatex is very "hard"
The Hondabond will not seperate from the paper (waxpaper from a empty postal stamp pack - self adhesive kind) while the Permatex lifts of relatively easy.
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haha my bad dude, I didnt see the text underneath the picture
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Regardless of the SLIGHT color differences, they work the exact same and are just as good as one another.

Spending 3x as much for Hondabond is just throwing your money away....
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Regardless of the SLIGHT color differences, they work the exact same and are just as good as one another.

Spending 3x as much for Hondabond is just throwing your money away....
But I suppose though that if the Hondabond sticks to the surface much better than the Permatex, then the Hondabond is a more effective gasket sealant.
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Just because it's more runny doesn't mean it's more effective.

The consistency won't be a huge issue when it's between two parts, being sandwiched and squished. It's more important how it forms and holds when it dries and hardens.
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it (hondabond) is definately more flexible, now two days after.
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Alphajesse, you think the permatex is that much worse off than the hondabond, now that you've seen how they both hold and dry?
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