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Old 05-16-2001, 04:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Changing clutch fluid THIS VERY SECOND... Need help!

This might sound sad but I have been working on changing this fluid for several hours now. I can't seem to get the pedal to stay hard (no jokes please). Let me explain what steps I'm taking:

1) Put hose on the valve (hose not clear)
2) Run hose into clear container (hose and container are above valve)
3) Loosen valve
4) Pump clutch a few times
5) When clutch is UP tighten valve
6) Fill resivoir to max line
7) Check pedal stiffness

I've done this several times and everytime I do it the pedal has no stiffness to it, it just falls to the ground with the slightest pressure. I guess this means that there is still air in the line??? But I don't see how that could be.

Should I run the end of the hose down into the fluid or can it just be above the fluid in the container?

I've gone through over half a bottle of fluid and cannot get this finished...

Someone help!!!!!!!!
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Old 05-16-2001, 04:41 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It would be best to have the hose end below the level of fluid in the container, depending on how long the hose is it could suck air back into the system otherwise.

If you have a second person available you can have them open and close the valve while you pump the clutch. If you do have them close it just before your foot hits the floor, then pump it a few times and put pressure on it, have them open the valve and close it again just before it hits the floor. They can watch the bottle and tell when no more bubbles are coming out.

The hose into the bottle should work though.

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Old 05-16-2001, 04:44 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Did you do a search at all about doing this?

You need 2 people. You NEED 2 people. One person cannot do it. For some reason, air gets into the clutch system very easily.

You also need clear tubing so that you can see when you have all of the air bubbles out.
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Old 05-16-2001, 06:38 PM   #4 (permalink)
 
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Did you do a search at all about doing this?

Boy... that one is getting old fast. No I didn't do a search because, and I guess this has never crossed your mind, I read all of the topics as they came up and just needed a little extra help. As a moderator you should set your goal on not having the worst attitude of everybody on the forum. Thanks

I've had TWO people all along and I was using a clear tube at first and when it didn't work I tried a different one. To anybody besides Billy that has any helpful insight I still haven't resolved this thing.
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Old 05-16-2001, 06:51 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Boy... that one is getting old fast. No I didn't do a search because, and I guess this has never crossed your mind, I read all of the topics as they came up and just needed a little extra help. As a moderator you should set your goal on not having the worst attitude of everybody on the forum. Thanks

I've had TWO people all along and I was using a clear tube at first and when it didn't work I tried a different one. To anybody besides Billy that has any helpful insight I still haven't resolved this thing.
Do you think that search function is there so it can look pretty for you?

You never said you had two people, your post sounded like you only had one. If you want attitude, I can give you attitude. Now, on to your problem.

You have air in the system, there's no doubt about it. If you don't have clear tubing you can't tell when you have all of the air out. Chances are, it's loaded up with air right now.

Okay, try this, or you can chose not to listen to me. I could give a **** less which you pick.

Put the tubing into a container partially filled with clean fluid.
Put pressure on the clutch (doesn't have to be all the way down, maybe 1/2 way).
Open the bleed valve.
Start pumping the clutch by hand the instant you open the bleed valve (hence the need for two people).
Once you get all of the air out, or get low on brake fluid in the clutch reservoir, close the bleed valve, WHILE the clutch is being depressed.
Repeat this until all the air is out.

I believe this is the same advice that TAllen gave you.
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Also, don't pump the clutch too fast, and not too slow. That will make things worse. Keep an eye on the fluid level, that container is quite small.
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billy, you're such a b!tch, hahaha, j/k brother
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Once you get all of the air out, or get low on brake fluid in the clutch reservoir, close the bleed valve, WHILE the clutch is being depressed.
Hey Billy? LOL brake fluid?



That's funny, because I was JUST gonna say...this is the exact same procedure (with a different pedal) as bleeding the brakes

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Yeah, brake fluid! Don't use anything else!!!

It's the same exact procedure as bleeding brakes. Anyone that can bleed brakes can bleed a clutch, you just have to pump the clutch pedal with your hands instead of your foot.
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billy, you're such a b!tch, hahaha, j/k brother
Yeah, I know I am. I should start a poll.......
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Yeah, I know I am. I should start a poll.......
if you don't, i just might...
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Did you ever get the clutch bled?
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LOL Hey, Billy?

He MAY have taken that personally. It's just a thought; you know how touchy these newbies can be.

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Yeah, I finally got it bled. I had to get a little creative with my opening and closing of the valve. For some reason the air was trapped and not coming out by just opening the valve and pumping the clutch. Actually I pretty much followed the steps that you put in your second post but I didn't read it till after I was done. Anyway it's got clean fluid now, and I'm hoping I don't have to do it again for a while.

Newbie???

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How much did you use?

Ok since this is fresh on your mind, would you mind telling me how much fluid it took for the entire flush? I need to do this soon and would like some idea of the amount. Also, out of curiousity, what kind of fluid did you use?

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Old 05-17-2001, 04:21 PM   #17 (permalink)
 
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I ended up going through about one botttle. As for the fluid I used, I just went up to my local dealer and got the Honda stuff. It was like $5.
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