Can sh*t get any worse..is my engine done for? - Honda Prelude Forum

mc88 · 06-30-2002, 11:21 PM

Honestly....I'm just straight out depressed right now! I have never in my life had this much bad luck in the span of 2 dayz! After gettin in the car accident yesterday...my "CHECK ENGINE" light and "ATTS" light comes on tonight after I pushed my car while racing a mustang! My revs were pretty high..after downshifting to 4th gear I was at 7200 rpms for a while! and after I slowed down coming to a light...my lights came on in the dash! This is the first time this has happened! I know not many of u can tell just by me telling u..but has anyone had any experience like this? The car still runs fine..Im taking it to honda tomorrow morning...I PRAY TO GOD ITS NOT SERIOUS ENGINE PROBLEMS....pray for my baby....like I said..sh*t just cant get any worse!!!

mc88 · 06-30-2002, 11:37 PM

thanks for the support guyz...

mc88 · 06-30-2002, 11:38 PM

no ones had their engine light come on while or after [ushing their car..and know what caused it?

accordh22a5 · 06-30-2002, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mc88
Honestly....I'm just straight out depressed right now! I have never in my life had this much bad luck in the span of 2 dayz! After gettin in the car accident yesterday...my "CHECK ENGINE" light and "ATTS" light comes on tonight after I pushed my car while racing a mustang! My revs were pretty high..after downshifting to 4th gear I was at 7200 rpms for a while! and after I slowed down coming to a light...my lights came on in the dash! This is the first time this has happened! I know not many of u can tell just by me telling u..but has anyone had any experience like this? The car still runs fine..Im taking it to honda tomorrow morning...I PRAY TO GOD ITS NOT SERIOUS ENGINE PROBLEMS....pray for my baby....like I said..sh*t just cant get any worse!!!

read your check engine lights, that would be the easiest way to put your mind at ease.

HERE YOU GO:
OBD1
Code
Probable Cause

0
Faulty ECU.

1
HO2S or Oxygen sensor or circuit.

2
VSS{1}
HO2S or Oxygen sensor or circuit.{2}

3
MAP sensor or circuit.

4
Vacuum Switch{1}
Crank angle sensor or circuit.{2}

5
MAP Sensor or circuit.

6
Coolant temperature sensor or circuit.

7
M/T Clutch Switch Signal{1}
A/T Shift Position Signal{1}
Throttle angle sensor or circuit./Throttle position sensor {2}

8
Ignition Coil Signal{1}
TDC positioncrank angle sensor or circuit.{2}

9
Crank angle sensor or circuit./
#1 cylinder position

10
Intake air temperature sensor or circuit.

11
Faulty ECU.

12
EGR system failure.

13
Atmospheric pressure sensor (BARO sensor) or circuit.

14
Electronic Air Control Valve or circuit. {1}
Idle air control valve{2}

15
No Ignition output signal. Possible faulty ignitor.

16
Fuel injector circuit.

17
Vehicle speed sensor or circuit.

19
Lock-up control solenoid valve (auto trans. only)

20
Electric load detector. Possible open or short to ground in ECU wiring.

21
VTEC spool solenoid valve circuit.

22
VTEC oil pressure switch circuit.

23
KS

30
A/T control unit and ECM fuel injection signal "A"

31
A/T control unit and ECM circuit. Fuel INjection signal "B"

41 Heated oxygen sensor heater circuit.
43 Fuel supply system circuit.
48 Heated oxygen sensor circuit D15Z1 engine.{3}

{1}â€”PGM-CARB.

{2}â€”PGM-FI four cylinder engines.

{3}â€” D5Z1 engine except California.

OBD II
OBD II Std Description
P0106 5 Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) Circuit Range or Performance.
P0107 3 Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) Circuit Low Input.
P0108 3 Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) Circuit High Input.
P0111 10 Intake Air Temperature (IAT) Sensor Circuit Range or Performance.
P0112 10 Intake Air Temperature (IAT) Sensor Circuit Low Input.
P0113 10 Intake Air Temperature (IAT) Sensor Circuit High Input.
P0116 86 Engine Coolant Temperature Circuit Range or Performance.
P0117 6 Engine Coolant Temperature Circuit Low Input.
P0118 6 Engine Coolant Temperature Circuit High Input.
P0122 7 Throttle Position Sensor Circuit Low Input.
P0123 7 Throttle Position Sensor Circuit High Input.
P0131 1 Primary Heated Oxygen Sensor Circuit Low Voltage (Sensor 1).
P0132 1 Primary Heated Oxygen Sensor Circuit High Voltage (Sensor 1).
P0133 61 Primary Heated Oxygen Sensor Circuit Slow Response (Sensor 1).
P0135 41 Front Heated Oxygen Sensor Heater Circuit Fault (Sensor 1).
P0137 63 Secondary Heated Oxygen Sensor Circuit Low Voltage (Sensor 2).
P0138 63 Secondary Heated Oxygen Sensor Circuit High Voltage (Sensor 2).
P0139 63 Secondary Heated Oxygen Sensor Circuit Slow Response (Sensor 2).
P0141 65 Secondary Heated Oxygen Sensor Heater Circuit Fault (Sensor 2).
P0171 45 System is too lean.
P0172 45 System is too rich.
P0300 Random Misfire.
P0301 71 Cylinder #1 Misfire or Random Misfire.
P0302 72 Cylinder #2 Misfire or Random Misfire.
P0303 73 Cylinder #3 Misfire or Random Misfire.
P0304 74 Cylinder #4 Misfire or Random Misfire.
P0305 75 Cylinder #5 Misfire or Random Misfire.
P0306 76 Cylinder #6 Misfire or Random Misfire.
P0325 23 Knock Sensor Circuit malfunction.
P0335 4 Crankshaft Position Sensor Circuit Low Input.
P0336 4 Crankshaft Position Sensor Range/Performance.
P0401 80 EGR Insufficient Flow Detected.
P0420 67 Catalyst System Efficiency below Threshold.
P0441 92 Evaporative Emission Control System Improper Purge Flow.
P0452 91 Fuel Tank Pressure Sensor Circuit Low Input.
P0453 91 Fuel Tank Pressure Sensor Circuit High Input.
P0500 17 Vehicle Speed Sensor Circuit malfunction (Manual Transmission).
P0501 17 Vehicle Speed Sensor Circuit Range/Performance (Automatic Transmission).
P0505 14 Ignition Control System malfunction.
P0700 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P0715 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P0720 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P0725 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P0730 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P0740 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P0753 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P0758 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P0763 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P1106 13 BARO Circuit Range/Performance.
P1107 13 BARO Circuit Low Input.
P1108 13 BARO Circuit High Input.
P1121 7 Throttle Position lower than expected.
P1122 7 Throttle Position higher than expected.
P1128 5 Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) Lower than expected.
P1129 5 Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) Higher than expected.
P1149 61 Primary Heated Oxygen Sensor (Sensor 1) Circuit Range/Performance Problem.
P1162 48 Primary Heated Oxygen Sensor (No. 1) Circuit malfunction.
P1163 61 Primary Heated Oxygen Sensor (No. 1) Circuit Slow Response.
P1164 61 Primary Heated Oxygen Sensor (No. 1) Circuit Range/Performance.
P1165 61 Primary Heated Oxygen Sensor (No. 1) Circuit Range/Performance.
P1166 41 Primary Heated Oxygen Sensor (No. 1) Heater System Electrical.
P1167 41 Primary Heated Oxygen Sensor (No. 1) Heater System.
P1168 48 Primary Heated Oxygen Sensor (No. 1) LABEL Low Input.
P1169 48 Primary Heated Oxygen Sensor (No. 1) LABEL High Input.
P1253 21 VTEC System malfunction.
P1257 22 VTEC System malfunction.
P1258 22 VTEC System malfunction.
P1259 22 VTEC System malfunction.
P1297 20 Electrical Load Detector Circuit Low Input.
P1298 20 Electrical Load Detector Circuit High Input.
P1300 71 Multiple Cylinder misfire detected.
P1300 72 Multiple Cylinder misfire detected.
P1300 73 Multiple Cylinder misfire detected.
P1300 74 Multiple Cylinder misfire detected.
P1336 54 Crankshaft Speed Fluctuation sensor intermittent interruption.
P1337 54 Crankshaft Speed Fluctuation sensor - No signal.
P1359 8 Crankshaft Position/TDC sensor Connector disconnection.
P1361 8 TDC sensor intermittent interruption.
P1362 8 TDC sensor - No signal.
P1366 58 TDC sensor #2 intermittent interruption.
P1367 58 TDC sensor #2 signal.
P1381 9 Cylinder Position sensor intermittent interruption.
P1382 9 Cylinder Position sensor No signal.
P1456 90 Evaporative Emission Control System Leak detected (Fuel Tank System).
P1457 90 Evaporative Emission Control System Leak detected (Control Canister System).
P1459 92 Evaporative Emission Purge Flow Switch malfunction.
P1491 12 EGR Valve Lift Insufficient detected.
P1498 12 EGR Valve Lift sensor High Voltage.
P1508 14 Idle Air Control Valve Circuit Failure.
P1509 14 Idle Air Control Valve Circuit Failure.
P1519 14 Idle Air Control Valve Circuit Failure.
P1607 ECM/PCM Internal Circuit Failure A.
P1655 30 SEAF/SEFA/TMA/TMB signal line failure.
P1660 70 Automatic Transmission FI signal A Circuit Failure.
P1681 30 Automatic Transmission FI signal A Low Input.
P1682 30 Automatic Transmission FI signal A High Input.
P1686 31 Automatic Transmission FI signal B Low Input.
P1687 31 Automatic Transmission FI signal B High Input.
P1705 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P1706 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P1738 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P1739 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P1753 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P1758 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P1768 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P1773 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P1785 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P1786 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P1790 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P1791 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P1792 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P1793 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P1794 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P1870 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P1873 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P1879 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P1885 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P1886 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P1888 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P1890 70 Automatic Transmission problems.
P1891 70 Automatic Transmission problems

mc88 · 06-30-2002, 11:51 PM

accordh22a5: thankx..but I dont get it..how do i check for that? where do i look..im lost...sorry....can u give me some detail..as if u havent already...thankx

mc88 · 06-30-2002, 11:54 PM

I was wondering...u think that the engine light might of come on ..due to the ATTS coming on..and its only a problem with my ATTS..or is there engine damage as well?

schwett · 07-01-2002, 12:24 AM

relax. the check engine light can come on for many reasons, and "engine damage" is not the most common. it's primarily an emmissions thing.

the ATTS light comes on when the check engine light comes on. your ATTS is fine. if the ATTS light came on FIRST, the check engine light usually does not follow it. check the code using the procedure here

http://www.hondaprelude.to/main_checkengine.html

let us know what numbers (flashing patterns) you get. i assume your oil and coolant were good before you "raced."

also, 7200 RPM is fine. the engine was built to rev that high, and a bit higher.

Quote:

Originally posted by mc88
I was wondering...u think that the engine light might of come on ..due to the ATTS coming on..and its only a problem with my ATTS..or is there engine damage as well?

mc88 · 07-01-2002, 10:12 PM

I took the lude to honda today! Got my ball joints replaced! As well..they ran a test in the computer..and the following showed up "P0325 23 Knock Sensor Circuit malfunction". Is this a serious problem? My car is not the same while driving! It vibrates and hesitates while under 3,000 RPMS..after that it runs smooth! I'm taking it back to honda tomorrow to take a detailed look at it! They said that they might charge me since my car is modified! I was like it has nothing to do with my modifications..but they just want to get money out of me! WHATS A KNOCK SENSOR AND HOW IS IT HURTIN MY CAR? PLEASE HELP

mc88 · 07-01-2002, 10:22 PM

come on guys..I just wanna know if a knock sensor is serious and if it will cost me alot to fix...anyone?

mc88 · 07-01-2002, 10:52 PM

^^^

HoNdAHaXoR · 07-01-2002, 11:11 PM

ya the check engine light should should be called the check emmission light or you didnt pass smog light heheh cuz when the h22 lets go.. it lets go..

schwett · 07-01-2002, 11:19 PM

the knock sensor is a small microphone of sorts attached to the block. it sends a signal to the ECU, which essentially "listens" to it and determines if the engine is knocking. knocking is bad. the knock sensor being broken is not that bad. it is fragile, although i would first check all the circuits leading up to it before assuming it's broken. the part is not expensive, $101.79 online.

http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...+BLOCK-OIL+PAN

if you're not a fairly competent mechanic with a good selection of tools, you will not be able to replace this yourself. i'd guess you're looking at about $300-400 to have the dealer fix it if it is the sensor and not the wiring.

Quote:

Originally posted by mc88
come on guys..I just wanna know if a knock sensor is serious and if it will cost me alot to fix...anyone?

schwett · 07-01-2002, 11:20 PM

don't be an ass. it takes more than 10 minutes for someone to happen to be online and decide to help you.

Quote:

Originally posted by mc88
come on guys..I just wanna know if a knock sensor is serious and if it will cost me alot to fix...anyone?

mc88 · 07-01-2002, 11:50 PM

Schwett: sorry bro..I was at work for all day while my car was the dealer without a computer and was looking forward to posting online and gettin help...I'm just anxious to get my car fixed..and know whats wrong with it..but ur right..I should be more patient!

Now..my question to u is....since its a part of a recall for honda to check the engine and fix the problem if the engine light comes on...will they fix it? Or will they make an excuse and point the problem towards my modifications... and how can I prevent them from screwin me over about my mods? I'm pretty sure its the knock sensor thats preventing my car from pickin up speed at lower RPMs...right? Thanks again to everyones reply's...keep em' comin...

gen5 · 07-02-2002, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mc88
since its a part of a recall for honda to check the engine and fix the problem if the engine light comes on...

how's that a recall, or do u mean warranty?
you can take your car to a more mod-friendly dealership or take them out before u go to another one, or convince that dealer your mods have nothing to do with the CEL if that's really the case, i wouldn't waste too much arguing though, some dealers avoid mods like the plague.

BoYgUaN · 07-02-2002, 01:22 AM

reset the ecu.....disconnect da battery

brendon2k · 07-02-2002, 01:44 AM

You can wait more then 10 minutes for a response. 7200 rpm is not high reving that much. With how off the tach is most people shift when the tach reads 8000. CEL are not that big of a deal your car not starting is. The reason why your car is not running well is because if the knock sensor goes bad the car will run in limp mode in order to make sure no damage what-so-ever happens.

mc88 · 07-02-2002, 10:22 PM

brendon2k: U ARE EXACTLY RIGHT! Due to the knock senson...my car is in limp mode where It feels like something is pulleing me back and in limp mode!

i took the car to the dealer and left it there for the 2nd full day! They reset the engine light and atts like they did yesterday..test drove it and told me it was fine and the check engine didnt come on while the test drive! I drive it home..and 5 minz after leavin the dealership...the check engine light reappears with the ATTS light and the car goes back into limp mode!

What should I get honda to do to fix this knock sensor problem..does it need to be replaced or is there some electrical problem?

mc88 · 07-02-2002, 10:24 PM

AS well...the dealer told me that my radiator wasnt working?!? y would this be happening???does it have anything to do with the knock sensor? Is the radiator easily fixable? SORRY FOR ALL THE QUESTIONS...THIS IS WHEN I REALLY NEED SOME HELP FROM EVERYONE AND UP TILL NOW..U GUYZ HAVE BEEN THERE FOR ME..THANKX!

Red96Si · 07-02-2002, 11:50 PM

Uhhh the radiator really doesn't have much of anything to do with the knock sensor... I guess it's possible that there could be a problem with that as well, but you should've noticed the temp getting higher than it should with a damaged radiator.