Wondering if anyone is using iceman and their experience with it. I was a dyno yesterday and they tested aem and iceman and the iceman cai had 5 more hp to the flywheel than aem cai. I was like wow! I didn't think there was that much of a difference between the two.
Originally posted by SweetGurlRacer Wondering if anyone is using iceman and their experience with it. I was a dyno yesterday and they tested aem and iceman and the iceman cai had 5 more hp to the flywheel than aem cai. I was like wow! I didn't think there was that much of a difference between the two.
I really didn't think there was a difference between the two either. I say get the Iceman, but isn't the Iceman for the 4th gen not CARB approved? I remember reading about it awhile back on this forum.
How is your lude coming along?
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The dyno was done at Zero Factory on a Bosh dyno right next to Ericks Racing.
It was B16A motor with ITR cams, AEM CAI and Hondata stage 2. Erick was also there owner of Erick's Racing was also there. After all the tunning was complete, they did the dyno and both Erick and the guy doing the dyno said that Iceman was a better intake and it would give more hp and they had an Iceman there so they decided to swap the CAI and ran it with Iceman. Right away there was a difference of 5 hp.
I'm pretty sure they said to the flywheel but I could be mistaken, I"ll ask my bf more about it when I see him. He has the charts.
Originally posted by ProjectPrelude I got an Iceman and yeah..it's CARB approved (well..that's what the sticker says).
Man...i want a sticker. I have an Iceman and they don't have a CARB EO# for the 5th gen. I thought the engines were similar to the 4th, except for that open/close deck design between the two. I'm about to email Iceman for a 4th gen sticker so i can put it on my car.
What i've read from past posts was that the AEM gave more peak horsepower, but the Iceman had more low end torque because of how the piping gradually got smaller towards the trottle body. I think intakes react differently on different engines, so maybe while the Iceman gave more hp on the B16, the AEM gives more on the H22.
and how often do u guys wash or clean ur filter for all u cold air intake ppl.. i have a short ram... and might change to CAI but too much trouble to clean that crap...
Inceman intake slips inside the the throttle body with about 10mm of plastic thickness. I do not see how this would make more power in high end than AEM. What happins if I were to get my throttle body bored out?! It would just be a waist since Iceman does not even cover the stock throttle body across.
I had Iceman. Over stock intake it does pull a lot harder and there is deffinetely a lot of torque at 4,000 rmp VTEC also kicks in much harder. I will buying AEM and see how that works out.
there is no way that will make more power then the AEM. I am stuck with a off-brand CAI, and I will have to suck it up, sell it, and buy an injen or AEM when I get my larger TB because the generic ones are the same size as the TB.
Also, that wasn't dynoed on a prelude, it was dynoed on a civic. Knight engineering made the inceman intake change shape as it went through the fender because of the oval shape of the hole in the fender of a prelude. The civic does not have this problem. That is another restriction.
Originally posted by JDM Lude the iceman goes INSIDE the TB?!?!? what a waste
there is no way that will make more power then the AEM. I am stuck with a off-brand CAI, and I will have to suck it up, sell it, and buy an injen or AEM when I get my larger TB because the generic ones are the same size as the TB.
Also, that wasn't dynoed on a prelude, it was dynoed on a civic. Knight engineering made the inceman intake change shape as it went through the fender because of the oval shape of the hole in the fender of a prelude. The civic does not have this problem. That is another restriction.
iceman = crap
I wouldn't go as far as calling an Iceman crap. The intake isn't even suppose to touch the throttle body at all so there wouldn't be any heat transfer to the tubing. That's why they use that silicone connector from the tubing to the throttle body. Boring out the throttle body will still make a difference no matter what intake you're using. Plus the AEM only make slightly higher numbers than the Iceman so that means the AEM is just a little better than "crap".
I still don't see how engine can suck more air in. The tubing is smaller than the TB. It might travel with more pressure into the TB, but that doesn't mean you are getting more air. This is why it has better low end power.
Last edited by vtecprelude; 01-25-2002 at 09:28 PM.
guys, the iceman does not slip "inside" the tb. it has a rubber tube, just like the aem, that slips over both the tb and the end of the intake. i haven't carefully measured the inside diameter of the TB and the intake, but the rubber tube fits snugly over both and the piping can't possibly be more than about 2 mm thicker than the TB wall. the diameter increases from there to the filter. i am almost positive it has a LARGER diameter at the filter end than the aem does, which is generally considered a good thing for n/a applications... the taper increases the velocity of the air.
you're not going to notice a difference in performance between the two, but if you want to get into it, the iceman is a better insulator, has a larger diameter at the filter, and can be switched from a cold air to a short ram setup for the rainy season.
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Originally posted by vtecprelude I still don't see how engine can suck more air in. The tubing is smaller than the TB. It might travel with more pressure into the TB, but that doesn't mean you are getting more air. This is why it has better low end power.
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Originally posted by schwett
you're not going to notice a difference in performance between the two, but if you want to get into it, the iceman is a better insulator, has a larger diameter at the filter, and can be switched from a cold air to a short ram setup for the rainy season.
We are discussing the air flow between the two intakes not their physical structure.
Diameter at the filter could be the size of the front bumper and still would not flow any better because the point at which it enters the TB is MUCH smaller than TB or AEM intake. It may not go inside the TB but it sure does if you try it.
The thickness of the plastic wall is actually more than 5mm, and if you go across the tubing you will find out that you are loosing over 10mm of area.
Yes, Iceman is more convenient than AEM because if its two piece design, unless you buy a two piece AEM.
i have a piece of tubing i cut out of the middle of my iceman. it's not 5mm thick. it's 3mm thick.
i could argue with the rest, but it's not worth it - this has been dyno tested by various people, several times, and neither intake makes more power than the other. they're just different.
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We are discussing the air flow between the two intakes not their physical structure.
Diameter at the filter could be the size of the front bumper and still would not flow any better because the point at which it enters the TB is MUCH smaller than TB or AEM intake. It may not go inside the TB but it sure does if you try it.
The thickness of the plastic wall is actually more than 5mm, and if you go across the tubing you will find out that you are loosing over 10mm of area.
Yes, Iceman is more convenient than AEM because if its two piece design, unless you buy a two piece AEM.
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Iceman intakes come from where I am. Everyone had them maybe 2 years ago but now I never see anyone using them. My friends sister does ads for them. Things from Palmdale=to cheap to produce in a respectable place.
* It is a 2 peice design (very convenient for the rainy season)
* It is CARB Legal for the 4th gen (I can get you the CARB EO # if you must have it, I think it is D-446 but not sure offhand)
* It will flow better than an AEM intake since it is a funnel shaped design. This means that it speeds up the airflow compared to a standard sized tube. it builds air pressure. (I started in college as an aerospace engineer and know this to be a fact)
* Intakes will be flush with the exterior housing at the inlet of the throttle body. They do not fit inside of it. When you port your air intake manifold and have the diameter of the throttle body changed, say from a 54mm to 58mm or 62mm it wont change anything to do with the intake itself. Since it is taking material from the inside not the outside of the TB.
* Since it is made out of plastic, it takes a lot longer to get hot than metal (AEM = Aluminum) and it doesnt retain hear as long as well. Plastic is j ust less condusive to heat than is metal of any type.
So lets talk about it. If you disagree and have legitamate reasons let me know. The only advantage I can see for an AEM over an Ice-Man is that it one-piece. I have also had one for 4 years now and never had a single problem with it.
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