I received my Accord Euro R crank pulley today after an unbelieveable 5 month wait.... oh well at least it's here. It's the same as stock pulley (slightly lighter) except it has no power steering ring. I wanted it since I want to remove the PS.
Does this mean the Accord Euro R has a manual rack?!!! That might fit our cars?
Wow a manaul rack? I swear I'd shell out the loot for that, although our cars are way heavier then my Scirocco's there was nothing like banging through some sick turns with a manual rack. My forearms were like Popeye after a couple years with those cars.
I was looking at my crank pulley the other day and I was wondering if it would be possible to just cut off the part for the PS belt, if that works it could be cheaper than buying an Accord Euo R pulley or at least it could take less time to get
why not just do away with PS...its not that much of a benefit to not have the groove for the PS...plus its cheaper than buying a Euro R one, i may go with U..my good freind swears by them, and has used it on his h22 for years...who knows..i just put a new pulley on mine after this weekends events..well see
That's an Accord SiR and SiR-T crank pulley. It was on the F20B motor ONLY. The Accord/Troneo SiR-T has an ELECTRIC power steering system, NOT a manual rack.
Info on the Electronic Power Steering (EPS) system:
Operativity and the linearity were raised rapidly,
Worldwide beginning, "new EPS*(electromotive power steering)
+VGR*(variable steering gear ratio)".
The steering wheel is the part where it has always touched when driving, because of that without having an influence on the disturbance and the like being faithful to only the will of the driver is most required. HONDA so far, although maturing the hydraulic power steering is advanced adopted EPS which aims toward handling and steering feeling which in NSX are suitable in the midship sport car. EPS of this new development while considering the quality of the FF car in the base, the technology which is cultivated so far as a system for the car promoting improvement. Completing the world first new EPS+VGR combining new mechanism VGR, as a car. Furthermore the system which to the last assists steering wheel operation faithfully to the will of the driver was actualized e.g., you can obtain the steering quality of the taste with mode change function.
* EPS=Electric POWER Steering
* VGR=Variable Gear Ratio
* New EPS which achieves the substantial evolution and the energy conservation of steering feeling.
Assisting handling vis-a-vis the steering wheel operation of the driver, with the driving force of the rack axis and the electric motor which is installed in the same axis. The computer to be fast and controls the assist quantity which responds to vehicle speed and steering state in high accuracy, optimizing the driving force of the motor. Linear assist power is generated the speed which cuts the steering wheel (revolution rudder speed) vis-a-vis, furthermore it is smooth and steering feeling whose responsiveness is high is actualized. In addition, after making simple and lightweight hard part constitution, because the motor directly assists the rack axis with computer control, the power loss due to engine drive in comparison with the hydraulic pump system quite is little, high efficiency the system is actualized.
Preservation rudder power change on the steering wheel by the kick back
- To make fine control possible at the high speed by the computer, improvement the smoothness of control force.
- External force from the tire to be difficult to be transmitted to the steering wheel by the fact that it denies by assist power of the motor, the kick back substantially decrease.
Simultaneously decreasing torque steering which makes the FF car peculiar.
The high-speed travelling time and decreasing the steering wheel rotational oscillation when braking.
Controlling taking the steering wheel which it occurs on the wheel track road and the snow-covered road etc..
- Return characteristic of the steering wheel is optimized, achieving comfortable steering feeling e.g., even at when accelerating after the revolving smooth handling is made possible.
[ Energy-saving environmental correspondence/relieved function ]
- Be able to delete the hydraulic pump and oil, because it can decrease also engine load loss substantially, fuel economy 3 - 5% improvements (company internal test value).
- With simple structure, achieving the light weight conversion of the system.
- Guaranteeing power assist even at the abrupt engine stall time.
- Engine starting characteristic improvement at time of low temperature.
- Warning function and self diagnostic function, self protection functional attaching
* Furthermore adopting VGR where you can obtain steering feeling which feeling is good.
VGR which converts the feed per revolution of the rack & the pinion variably by the fact that it changes angle of obliquity of action and angle of torsion and module of rack tooth profile to linear, changes gearing pitch circle diameter. It provides usual ratio in the center section of the rack gear, the steering wheel starts cutting smoothly, at the time of the large position of a vessel's helm quick as a ratio setting the lock to lock decreasing. As a result, lane modification and the like with high-speed travelling being smoother, acquiring steering feeling which has the sense of relief. In addition, with low-speed travelling, actualizing the easy routing characteristic at maneuverability and the time etc. of the garage inserting when it makes brisking. By the fact that it combines to new EPS, a higher quality is shown.
*gear ratio quality
It can select steering feeling according to taste of the driver and travelling circumstance,
EPS mode change function.
As for new EPS because it is possible, to set control force quality freely, being able to give the various qualities which are agreeable to the taste of the driver it is possible. Then, the ‚ß, setting the mode of the ‚ß heavily lightly in addition to usual mode. By the fact that the selector switch which is installed in the instrument panel is operated, it can obtain the control force quality which responds to the taste of the driver.
Mode switch
+: Plus mode... the response which is done a little heavily securely with the ‚ß
-: Normal mode... linear balance comes off responsiveness
-: Negative mode... being light, pliant Æ’eÆ’CÆ’XÆ’g
I know it's different for everybody, but I auto-xed without ps for quite a while, and when i finally put it back on, it was quite a difference! P/S, so long as it's not GM-van light, is really a good thing. I was reading about some BMW GT-R or something like that, and even it had ps.
I'm not raggin on ya, I'm just offering my experience so i look smart.
Some weight savings (not much). Removal of PS -- which will remove weight and free horsepower.
Is there any way you could take some measurements of the stock pulley for me? I would be interested in the diameter and the circumference of both the pulleys that make up the crank pulley(does that make sense?).
The reason I'm curious is I recently bought a UR crank pulley and I already have the AEM pullies and I am a little concerned about underdriving my alternator too much.
BTW, I think the UR crank pulley only weighs about 1.5 pounds, I'll double check that figure though.
TIA
EDIT: the UR crank pulley is 1.25 pounds.
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I took an extra h22 crank pulley down to a local machine shop and had them remove the p/s part and balance the pulley. It cost me $40. I can take some pictures if you want.
The only bad thing about doing that is now you don't have a way to use the crank pulley holder (just like an aftermarket crank pulley). The Euro R pulley still has the hex so you can use the crank pulley holder. It is more expensive than what you did, but it cost me less than $100 US.
Originally posted by 71dsp The only bad thing about doing that is now you don't have a way to use the crank pulley holder (just like an aftermarket crank pulley). The Euro R pulley still has the hex so you can use the crank pulley holder. It is more expensive than what you did, but it cost me less than $100 US.
I just locked up the front brakes and torqued pulley to spec.
I just locked up the front brakes and torqued pulley to spec.
-Mike
And this worked to break torque as well? We've had problems doing this on two different 5Gens. Once we used the crank pulley holder and a breaker bar, the pulley bolts were removed easily.
This also doesn't work if your engine is on an engine stand.
if you guys get me the part numbers, ill price them.
BTW, that description up there (the long one with pics) is nice and all, but what exactly are you supposed to feel? I've driven a euro-r and it feels exactly the same as my car... Did the BB8 come with this feature too?
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Bad thing is, you're still pumping fluid through the rack and the valve assembly in the input shaft housing of the PS rack. I'm getting rid of all that garbage and converting it to a real manual rack.
It's a 5Gen rack, but I'm removing all of the PS parts (seals, bypasses, lines, etc). The rack appears to be a manual rack, just with power, so I don't think converting it to manual will hurt anything, as long as I lube it well.
how was the feel when you guys just looped the input and output with a breather? I did this on my cousins integra using the PS reservoir as a breather and it feels just like my hatch back. Then again it doesnt have AC either. But i plan to do this to a Lude sooner or later along with some real light weight rims probably like 11lbs Spoons. Whats your input on driveability.
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