Won't that add 5mm to the stroke and make the R/S ration worse? I thought about it untill I found the 2.3 is same bore, only longer stroke as the 2.2
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Originally posted by ZDVS1 Won't that add 5mm to the stroke and make the R/S ration worse? I thought about it untill I found the 2.3 is same bore, only longer stroke as the 2.2
Originally posted by ZDVS1 Won't that add 5mm to the stroke and make the R/S ration worse? I thought about it untill I found the 2.3 is same bore, only longer stroke as the 2.2
-Scott
Yes it would add 5mm to the stroke, that's the whole point...more torque. Who cares if R/S ratio is worse I still don't see why it wouldn't be able to rev to 8k rpm. Throw in some crower cams and we have a beast.
Having bigger bore doesn't add more torque down low.
Originally posted by vtecprelude
Who cares if R/S ratio is worse I still don't see why it wouldn't be able to rev to 8k rpm.
Ask Grant Lockwood why he kept punching rods through the block. Ask Honda why they never made a B20A5 in VTEC trim. If you don't see why a bad r/s ratio is bad at high RPMs, pick up the latest Sport Compact Car and read the article on r/s ratio.
Ask Grant Lockwood why he kept punching rods through the block. Ask Honda why they never made a B20A5 in VTEC trim. If you don't see why a bad r/s ratio is bad at high RPMs, pick up the latest Sport Compact Car and read the article on r/s ratio.
Okay even if it can't rev that high, and nobody has proof of this, it should be able to make more power than h22. By the way what is the r/s ratio of 2.3, h22 and Acura's CL type-S?
im having the complete reciprocating assembly balanced which should yield a couple more r's and piece of mind as well, no? im having the street/strip balance which is where they balance and remove the excess from the countershafts...as far as i understand. and since im poor im just having the rods shotpeened.
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Originally posted by vtecprelude
Okay even if it can't rev that high, and nobody has proof of this, it should be able to make more power than h22. By the way what is the r/s ratio of 2.3, h22 and Acura's CL type-S?
Why are you worried about the CL Type S? I can quote you all the r/s ratios you want when I get home. Make an H23 VTEC hybrid and spin that bastard to 8k. You can provide us with the proof.
An H23 VTEC won't make any more power than an H22 at the H23 rev limit. Beyond that limit I think you are compromising reliability. You'll pick up bottom end torque at the expense of high end power- that's the nature of the beast.
93si4ws:
I would definitely balance if you want to spin at VTEC speeds and I would definitely put the sprayers in. If you don't have sprayers... I don't think I would attempt this. I think a large part of the problems resulting from increased side loading can be reduced with improved oiling.
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Originally posted by ElectronLude44 I have a girl. She's wonderful. Her name is Prelude.
She's petite, blue, and very eye catching. She's loud when she needs to be, and she loves to scream when I romp on it.
Why are you worried about the CL Type S? I can quote you all the r/s ratios you want when I get home. Make an H23 VTEC hybrid and spin that bastard to 8k. You can provide us with the proof.
Since CL Type S is a 2.7 or 3.5 don't remember, it has VTEC and revs pretty high, so I just wanted to compare the r/s ratios.
Well, since my timing belt break post I had a new one put in, fortunately there were no valves bent and the engine is running strong. So I guess my project comes to a halt for as long as the engine is running.
i have a 2.3 block w/ internals. the goodies will be going in my jdm 2.2 so i'll have the oil jets. isn't the papadakis a vtec 2.3? where can i get info on his setup? aem?
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Originally posted by 93si4ws i have a 2.3 block w/ internals. the goodies will be going in my jdm 2.2 so i'll have the oil jets. isn't the papadakis a vtec 2.3? where can i get info on his setup? aem?
Yes... Papadakis uses a 2.3 VTEC. I thought it was just an H22A at first but I saw it at an IDRC event... it is a H23 block. I was like, "wow, thats pretty damn cool, fastest FWD Honda runs an H23 VTEC".
I'd be interested to see if the jets fit- I've heard they won't, but haven't tried it myself. I would still be concerned with running the VTEC rev limit, though- you're increasing the side loading a good bit.
How often does Papadakis rebuild his motor?
The CL Type S uses the J32 3.2L block that I believe is a derivative of the Accord 3.0 (J30?). The NSX's C30 and C32 has a 1.95 r/s ratio (152mm rod/78mm stroke)...
The CL has an 86mm stroke, if anyone finds the rod length info...
What about some customs pistons and rods with a H23 crank to raise the R/S ratio a bit? if you can raise the wrist pin about 5mm higher in the piston you'd get a R/S of about 1.54-1.55, still not as high as the H22 but pretty close...
Though with custom pistons you'd need to resleeve the block but maybe S2K pistons would fit... BTW are they available in .25 overbored? if the normal size one are a bit too small you could overbore your block just enough to put the overbored pistons in... Just a thought...
We had a thread about this a while back you can check it out
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