I've now put a little over 16,000 miles on them, and it looks like I'll be able to get another summer out of them no problem (another 10,000 miles or so). I'll take pictures of the current tread remaining & post them at some point.
Still really happy with them.
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these tires are very narrow for the size that they are. i currently have a set of 215 and my set of 205 bridgestones were much wider. the tires have soft sidewalls and are very comfortable to drive on. the traction is great for the price and so is the wet traction.
they start to squeel right before they slip which does not give much reaction time to save it.
these tires are very narrow for the size that they are. i currently have a set of 215 and my set of 205 bridgestones were much wider. the tires have soft sidewalls and are very comfortable to drive on. the traction is great for the price and so is the wet traction.
they start to squeel right before they slip which does not give much reaction time to save it.
Yeah, they don't have the broad square shoulders that are common to a lot of Bridgestone tires - but I suspect the contact patch ends up being comparable as a result of the softer sidewalls. There's a resulting trade off in turn-in response, but having tires that don't greedily track every single groove or slope in the road is nice too.
I very rarely push my car past 8/10ths, but the few times I've had a chance to test their limits the break-away characteristics were nice and predictable. But you're right, there won't be any howling or squealing until just before they let go, unlike some tires which'll give you a progressively awful audible warning . . . So I guess that's either a positive or a negative, depending on how you look at it.
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When you do push the tires too far they will studder and skip. I thought the sidewalls were firm, but maybe that was due to the very short sidewall on the 215/40/17. I did find that I has to put 50 psi in the font tires to keep them from rolling onto the sidewalls during autocrossing. I was very happy with my GS-D3s as a road tire.
Paul - who put almost a whole season of autocrossing on his GS-D3s and thusly has no outside shoulder left on them.
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When you do push the tires too far they will studder and skip.
I never felt this. Sounds more like you were riding on the bump stops or reaching the end of your suspension travel some other way.
Mine were very digital (on or off, no in between) until I played with my pressures. By lowering pressures in the rear, I was able to induce a gradual, predicable breakaway (rotation). I liked these tires alot and would recommend them for anyone wanting a great all around street tire. But if pure performance (for the price) was priority, then my Kumho MX's win hands down. They sure didn't last as long as my Eagles though
i also have the same tire. the left rear seems to lose air faster then the rest. i just have to keep an eye out on it.
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I can't complain about grip at all with these, They seem to hold their own very well. I wish I could compare them to other tires in their class, but I cannot. If anyone has had both these and Toyo Proxes T1-S's on their Prelude, please lend some incite
My only qualm with these (and it may not even be the tire, rather my wheels) is related to balancing. For some reason my wheels have taken a lot of weights, but not all 4 wheels, and upon rebalancing, a wheel that took a lot of weights the first time took few in comparison to another which took few weights before and many the second time around, which is what lead me to believe it was the tires and not the wheels. I was able to have the wheels/tires balanced both times on a machine that also tested for road force, which, from what I understand, measures how the tire flexes and "behaves" at speed. Basically the number one complaint of wheels/tires that have high road force ratings is vibration in the car when driven. Once again, I cannot compare them to another set of 17"s that I drove on, so it could just be the feeling of a tire with less sidewall and absorbtion over bumps, but the car did seem to vibrate quite a bit at speeds over 40. I didn't try hubcentric rings for the wheels, and for all I know it could've been something else, so I'll leave it at that, and say, besides that one issue, these tires have been pretty good to me.
I'm looking into getting these within the next year in stock size (205/50/16) for my SH.
I have a question Daemione. You put the stock size on 7" wide wheels? Will it be ok to do that on my stock 6.5" wide wheels? I'm surprised they fit over a 7" wide wheel without the wheel sticking out past the tire.
Also, since they actually seem wider (thus making the sidewall taller) than a 205/50 tire, could that possibly throw an ATTS code for being an incorrect diameter?
You put the stock size on 7" wide wheels? Will it be ok to do that on my stock 6.5" wide wheels? I'm surprised they fit over a 7" wide wheel without the wheel sticking out past the tire.
So wait . . . You're asking if it's okay to use the stock size tire on the stock size wheel?
But yeah, mounting stock size tires on a 7" wheel is fine - even recommended by a lot of places. Increasing to a 7" (or even 7.5") wide wheel on a 205 width tire helps broaden the shoulders a little & provide a more stable contact patch. The more sidewall you have, the more flexibility in wheel size - the stock tires have roughly 4" sidewalls.
Although I'm considering going to a 225/45-16 size on my next set. Figure that'll be a 20mm tire width increase, and a 12.7mm wheel width increase over stock . . . . so doable. But I don't know as it's worth it. The car already has more grip than you can use on the street - but some fatty 225's would sure look good under there . . . .
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Also, since they actually seem wider (thus making the sidewall taller) than a 205/50 tire, could that possibly throw an ATTS code for being an incorrect diameter?
Not sure what you mean here - why would the sidewall be taller?
With a wheel width drastically different than what the tire is designed for, it could in theory affect overall rolling diameter - but even in a most severe case (say, going from a 6" width to 8" width on a 205 wide tire), you'd probably only lose a quarter inch of overall diameter.
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Well I've seen A LOT of 205 width tires and none of them are the same. I've seen a 205 Goodyear HP Plus tire next to a Continental 225 width tire and the Goodyear was just as wide.
Now the manufacturer takes the percentage of the tread width and calls it the aspect ratio of that tire, right? Well, some 205's are actually wider than other 205's so the "wider" 205 will have a taller sidewall, won't it?
Oh, I see - no, height of the sidewall doesn't change w/ variations in actual vs. advertised tread width. Otherwise people would have serious issues with speedometer accuracy & final drive ratio.
So basically, sidewall aspect ratio is a percentage of the advertised width, not the actual.
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I have 1700 miles on mine. They have no feel or personality at all. Grip wet or dry is fine, but I can't warm up to them. Similar to Bridgestones. Would kill to have my A520s back, or even the SP9000s. The 9000s were soft but at least they were feelsome. This is the last time I go by internet response and test reports. I can't believe these came in first in not one but TWO tire tests.
They don't maniacally try to follow every tiny groove and crease in the road like A520's did, if that's what you mean by feel . . . . (nor do they let out that godawful howling/whining the A520's had when they're running down the road).
To me, their lack of "personality" is a strong point - they just quietly do what you want them to. You can actually drive on a crowned or expanded highway and relax a little - the car isn't perpetually trying to yank itself off in whatever direction the pavement happens to slope.
Of course, you sacrifice the razor sharp transitional response to get that.
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Yeah, there'll be some of that with any ultra-high or max performance tire, simply because they're sticky. But not all are as nervous as Bridgestone S-03's or the Yokohama A520's were. Haven't driven on ES100's to know how they compare in that department.
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I was actually going to go with the ES100s, but I feared thet weren't as good in the dry as the old A520s. And the sales rep at the Tire Rack confirmed it.
Probably not. I'm real happy with them, and the GSD3's continue to get top all-around ranking in most of the tire comparo's out there. Plus tirerack has a free $40 cash card offer on the Goodyears until the end of this month . . . so I'm gonna try and take advantage of that.
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Probably not. I'm real happy with them, and the GSD3's continue to get top all-around ranking in most of the tire comparo's out there. Plus tirerack has a free $40 cash card offer on the Goodyears until the end of this month . . . so I'm gonna try and take advantage of that.
I hear ya, well, hey when you find something you love, stick with it, right?
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(nor do they let out that godawful howling/whining the A520's had when they're running down the road).
